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It's cool and all to dunk on their logical fallacies, but don't think for one second that their poor wording will stop them from enacting untold violence against trans people.
No question. But the memes are copium for this dark age we are entering. π
Trans women loves this one weird trick that trans men hate!
...that's not how that works.
Early stages of development are bipotential, which means they could develop either way, they're not initially female.
Around 6-7 weeks, if carrying a Y chromosome carrying the gene SRY, they develop into testes. If there are two X chromosomes, then ovaries develop.
...So we're all legally non-binary? NBs rise up!
This. It's incredible how people miss this little important fact
Except in cases like Swyer syndrome where even with a Y chromosome, gonads won't develop properly and the person will develop normal female genitals instead.
Does this not mean there are no makes or females in the US, only undefined?
The fem-cel community has already accepted me even though I'm a cis straight white guy who's asexual (so voluntarily celibate) but I'm happy I can now finally check one box and accept myself as a femcel.
Yipeeee :3
(Sucks for my ftm homies tho)
"All female employees must pose nude if requested"
Trump increases the wage gap rather unconventionally.
What a roundabout way to get unisex bathrooms.
Congratulations to women, your public bathrooms will be less crowded. To my trans brothers and sisters, see you at the sink!
Trump abolished gender reveal parties, which is kinda positive honestly
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I didn't consider this option, but it seems to be an easy fix to the whole gender thing. Everyone is female. period. *(no pun intended)
Own that period joke. You conceived it, whether accidental or not, so you should carry it to term.
so you should carry it to term.
Are required to carry it to term. Aborting the pun is a crime.
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I was under the impression that the sperm that fertilizes the egg carries either an X chromosome or Y chromosome and that's what determines male or female. So that would mean conception is in fact when this gets decided, no? What am I missing here?
You can have XY chromosomes and develop a vulva and uterus. The determining factor is activation of the SRY gene of an XY karyotype then develops as a male. These individuals generally don't experience puberty without hormone replacement therapy, due to the lack of hormone producing gonads.
Sex isn't directly determined by chromosomes, it is determined by someone taking a look at the sex organs. This works for most people, but embryonic development is like most things complicated and there are a lot of factors that make it more difficult than "male" and "female". Examples are people with more than 2 chromosomes or that have absorbed a sibling in the womb. Difference of sex development is estimated to affect 1/100 people.
So when the doc takes a look just before 6 weeks, she must declare "the embryo has ovaries and no testes - female" at every single person. At literal conception: "Idk know, man, it is just 1 cell".
Sex isnβt directly determined by chromosomes, it is determined by someone taking a look at the sex organs.
I mean that's how it's usually observed, but not how it's determined. Those sex organs get there somehow. The general rule is that if you have a heightened level of androgens and nothing preventing you from responding to them at a certain point in fetal development then you develop male sex organs, if not you develop female sex organs. Barring some other medical disorder, those heightened androgens that masculinize the fetus are triggered by the action of the SRY gene on a Y chromosome.
Difference of sex development is estimated to affect 1/100 people.
If you include absolutely everything, yeah. But someone with Klinefelter's is in terms of sexual function male (if less fertile), someone with XXX is in the same way female, XX people with CAIS are in the same way female, etc. Cases where there's ambiguity in sexual function are much more rare.
But really all this is like making the argument that gloves shouldn't come in pairs with five fingers per glove because rarely people are born with syndactyly, polydactyly, etc. Like the definition Trump uses is stupid and wrong (not least because no one is producing gametes at conception) and it's at least even odds it makes him non-male since at his age he's probably shooting blanks, but to pretend that sex in humans doesn't come in two categories and an assortment of rare conditions in which something went wrong genetically or developmentally is kinda silly.
Your Gloves comparison is pretty flawed, though.
We don't require everyone to wear a pair of gloves at all times. We don't put glove data on legal forms, we don't use gloves to classify a critical element of our sense of self. We don't make changing your glove type illegal, costly, or incredibly difficult. We don't make getting 4 or 6 finger gloves illegal. We don't force people with 6 fingers to get one chopped off. We don't exclude people who are missing a hand entirely from society. We don't publicly demonize people with 4 fingers.
Yes, the proportion of people impacted is small, but the impact to those people is not. We can't just call it "Good enough" because it works for 99% of the population when the 1% it definitely doesn't work for is being absolutely ruined by it, especially if the exceptions that serve that small population are being systematically eliminated so that their existence is either suffering or criminality.
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You're not missing anything, you're more informed on this, or less willing to play a half truth for political points.
Turns out they were always asking, "What is a woman?" because they had no idea either.
It's a bad faith question that deserves a hillarious answer
"What is a woman? Why it's someone whom, family members aside, you've never seen naked."
"What is a woman? The kind of people at the bar who cover their drinks when you get too close."
"What is a woman? A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF SECRETS!"
"What is a woman? Well these curvy people who smell nice and go by she/her pronouns and sometimes they have big meaty penises to suck, but only if you're lucky."
"What is a woman? According to Donald Trump's day 1 executive order; literally every American Citizen."
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Trump declares ~~himself~~ herself the first female President of the USA? π³
(Edit: Excuse me Mrs. President, I had misgendered you.)
He's so petty he had to steal that title from both Hilary and Kamala it just took him this long...
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This was the only possibility for the Incel Movement to ever get touched by a ~~women~~ female. Congrats to them.
Technically no. They aren't male or female, they're undifferentiated. Since we're neither male nor female at conception, this order means males and females don't actually exist at all.
Get out of here with that big science speak that isn't allowed in American now
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I think this is actually more gender abolitionist if you think about it. No one is producing reproductive cells/gametes at conception. They begin by producing undifferentiated stem cells that will later specialize into all of the other cell types.
Male and female now officially retired. Rejoice!
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Silly Matthew, still believing that words written by Trump's administration mean anything...
Same mistake many opponents of the Nazis made in the beginning.
Fascists don't play by the rules, whatever they say or write only has meaning as long as it benefits them.
When you point out inconsistencies in what they wrote yesterday, they laugh at you. And then they shoot you.
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