The sooner we realize the "left vs right" battle is a facade put up to distract and divide us, the sooner we realize what terrifies the upper class: we're much stronger together.
Unless you're a Nazi, then you can get fucked.
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Bernie said it in 2000. The right uses single issue tactics to divide us. The real war is against the rich and poor.
Bernie has been speaking truth to power on this longer than I've been alive, which is why the ruling class killed both his presidential campaigns.
Now, we're seeing the logical conclusion that plays out when people feel like there's no way to win this fight at the polls.
Amusingly, this kind of thing makes me think about gun laws.
Everyone believes it's impossible for gun control, but I would bet my life that if the rich got too unsettled we would see some swift and heavy restrictions set up.
It's all class warfare. Always has been.
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https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775 (Pelosi defends lawmaker stock trades, citing ‘free market’)
Our political "left," ladies and germs.
pelosi ain't left at all. not by a long ....road
We have maybe 2-4 individuals in all of Congress, none promoted within the DNC as that is determined by how well you "fundraise," aka demonstrate you're willing and able to get the biggest bribe checks, that might actually hold some economically leftist ideals.
They are hated and undermined by both parties harder than either party fights the other. The DNC and leaders like Pelosi and Schumer are far more at ease with Trump being President than They would with AOC.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-and-nancy-pelosi (Nancy Pelosi 'Making Calls' to Undermine AOC's Bid for Top Oversight Role)
Behold Democrat leadership's priorities a month before Trump takes office, kneecap the farthest left member of her chamber yet again.
Exactly their point, it's not left vs right, it's the ruling class vs the laborers
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Exactly, this isn't about left vs right. He could've been a flat earther and the rest of his actions would still be valid.
And the landscape of US politics is so fucked at this point that which "side" somebody is allegedly on based on donkeys and elephants, or whose podcasts they listen to, or who they retweet is really only an entertaining starting point to determining what the hell their views actually are.
I'm sure plenty of "right wing" Republican voters actually would agree with us here on a lot of things once you broke down individual topics -- possibly with a little bit of rephrasing of things, and after you punched through the layer of bullshit, lies, racism, identity politics, and incessant fearmongering over non-issues that the GOP slathers all over everything they say nowadays.
Liberals and conservatives generally actually agree on these two core concepts, vis-a-vis:
- We want the government to provide for us what we think everyone ought to deserve to get, and
- We want it for "free."
Pretty famously the Affordable Care Act polls pretty well with both parties whereas Obamacare polls very poorly with Republicans. One would find that odd considering those are two different names for the same thing
Propaganda is a powerful drug.
I had an acquaintance try to tell me that Presidents didn't use executive orders before Obama. He was mad because Obama "started the whole executive order thing".
It took me a minute to process the level of stupid that it takes to actually believe that considering,
1.) The US constitution grants the president broad discretion over the executive branch.
2.) An "executive order" is nothing more than a directive from the president to an agency or department under the executive branch.
3.) Nearly every president since Washington has issued executive orders, although they weren't called "executive orders" and did not have any sort of numbering system until 1907.
So basically he was mad at Obama and every president thereafter for checks notes doing their job.
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Any proof that he is right winger, that's not made by some fundamentalist?
Because last bullshit I read is that he was right wing because he liked technology...
I read he complained about "woke" a lot.
I complain about Woke a lot and I'm a dyed in the wool leftist to be fair. There's a broader spectrum of opinion out there.
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What I read is his friends identified him as economically leftist, but took issue with identity politics
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Class solidarity is exactly what we need, and if billionaires and multimillionaires break rank to join us, we most certainly can welcome them, with caution of course.
A liberal who realized something was wrong is something a lot of leftists once were. Accepting him should come from a place of empathy.
Can confirm, gave up on the whole "Democracy will repair itself" thing after the election.
Call me naive, but I really had hope the majority of Americans would at minimum be willing to vote against a rapist/insurrectionist/fraud
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Absolutely. I feel empathy for the United CEOs family, while also recognizing they are going to be financially fine. They also have a chance to reflect on any grief and how affected families may not be sympathetic for valid reasons. Whether they do or not depends on whether they value healing, or greed/retribution.
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Left Vs. Right is old and busted
Poor Vs. Rich is new hotness
Seriously. There have been profiles of his online interests. He clearly was not a political partisan. What he was more than anything was anti-establishment. He was a big fan of both AOC and Joe Rogan. However, the corporate media is doing what it always does - try to divide us along artificial partisan lines.
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He nixed a deep right oligarch because they were killing people.
I don't know what label you really want to assign to that, But it current it doesn't seem very Right Wing thing to do
In American politics left and right have no meaning anyway
Yeah you're kind of need to clarify these days whether they're the Right looking for upper middle class tax breaks, or the right that's looking to use the police to hunt non white people to extinction, not that there's not a significant overlap of those two circles but...
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See the problem for them is, this isn't a political issue, this wasn't about some political rhetoric attacking some mysterious foe, this was a human struggling to relieve their pain because of a corrupt system designed to squeeze every last penny from its victims.
You can't pit us against each other over this, you can't create boogeymen over this, because you are the boogeyman this time, but we're not afraid of you anymore, we know how to scare the boogeyman now.
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The political spectrum is fake bullshit made to divide the working class. The only ideology of the oligarchs is the acquisition of wealth, and they will assume any political persona in the pusuit of it.
I'd argue that, among the working class, the right wing of the political spectrum represents either the expectation/ambition to gain much more than others, or distrust of the left, commonly driven by following capitalist BS or having certain reservations or misunderstandings.
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Love it or hate it, political ideologies exist, and they exist on some spectrum
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Luigi Mangione is the median American voter
They’re confused because they still believe the dominant divide in US politics is liberalism v conservatism. It’s not, and it hasn’t been for some time. Increasingly, even if they lack the exact language to explain it, voters do not identify foremost as Democrats or Republicans, progressives or traditionalists, or even left or right. They identify as pro-system or anti-system.
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Personally, idgaf what his alignment was, I know his action’s alignment was chaotic good.
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I couldn't give less of a fuck what his political ideologies are.
It never even crossed my mind he was on the right nor that he would be on the left.
I will say, doing something for the greater good is a very leftist ideology, however doing something out of anger and vengeance would be more universal. Regardless of motivation, the thing he accomplished will (hopefully) be something that inspires change, specifically in regards to healthcare in the USA.
I'm not an American, and your healthcare, or lack thereof, isn't really my problem. That being said, I'm more left leaning, and I believe in social programs (like healthcare for all). I have government healthcare where I am and as someone on the lower end of the "economic ladder" let me tell you, it's pretty great. Sure, I might have to wait longer for some procedures, but if I'm upset about that, I can go to my GP and have my feelings checked.... for free.
CEOs and healthcare officials will tighten security for a few months, judges will be hard on anyone who gives off even a whiff of copycat, and then some other outrage will come along and people will forget and nothing will change. Insurance practices will stay the same. At most, people will make this a second amendment issue, the government will pass some legislation about 3D printed guns, and our lives will all continue to get progressively worse.
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Like many, he was a right-winger until he became the victim of the right wing. Suddenly he became the most extreme example of the "woke" activists he used to attack.
Your commitment to long-term civilizational success, Elon, is not universally shared
It's not even the majority position
What you call the "woke mind virus" cares about one thing only: equality
The levelers want to destroy everything because in the rubble we will all be equal
- Tweet reposted by Luigi, worshipping a capitalist 10x worse than the one he shot
Which is not exactly why we should remain in solidarity with those who started figuring something out, not alienate them based on past views.
Give him a bit of time, he already started looking through some of the BS.
I don't care if luigi is a martian, he's a hero in my book
My enemies wear suits. Not silly hats.
I got more in common with the most batshit crazy redhat than I do with any fucking ceo or billionaire.
This is not about class solidarity. If he's right (as in correct) he's right. To deny that because we don't agree on eventing is stupid
Especially given that he wasn't poor
Facts his actions speak louder than his words
Actions speak louder than words.
actions speak louder than retract, it's not like big companies actually care about doing good stuff they just want to look good to get a little extra cash
It's not about fucking left and right -- It's a class war. Did you ever hear about the French, or maybe even American, Revolution? Dethrone the King, aka the ruling class.
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