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[–] [email protected] 154 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Unless I'm mistaken, none of those will block server-side ads.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Isn't there some law that you have to visually indicate whether a given piece of content is sponsored (ad) or not? Can't that just be detected by ad blockers to skip/hide ads?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There isn't a law that I'm aware of, but typically the ad needs to be un-skippable/seek-able, which means there will always be some indication to the video player of what the user can skip or fast forward through.

That doesn't mean Google couldn't just make fast forwarding/seeking a premium feature, but they'd lose a lot of user appeal if they did so they probably wouldn't do that

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Germany has this law, sponsored segments must be clearly labelled. But one could just hash the ad anyways or just try to fast forward and if it doesn't work and it would be the ad.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I was thinking about this. Can we crowd source add hash markers, in a similar way to how Sponsor Block opperates but with hashes instead of time stamps?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

It would be pretty trivial for YouTube to change the hashes at random. Might require a clever caching workaround on their end but it's totally possible to just flip a few bits before serving it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Even if they do this, I wouldn't be averse to a less on demand version of youtube. 3rd party apps will let you load a number of videos for later viewing. Would probably help me consume media more responsibly and youtube has to deal with the additional resources needed to serve all the videos I didn't wind up watching after all.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

I used to have a neat app on my phone that would play "Interdimensional Cable" bits, or just silence, over Spotify ads. It made it a lot more usable.

Their ad gets played, I don't have to hear it screaming at me. Win/Win right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

European law says you need to identify paid content, it's up to the channel to decide how, it's usually "AD" written in a moderately contrasty color in the top right of the screen

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

It depends on their implementation. If they decided to somehow serve the ad itself and serve the video only after the ad is done, I think that you won't be able to skip it, maybe only censor it to see a blank video screen or something.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure about the mechanism, but isn't this the same thing as ancient early DVR's like TiVo that would record from the cable stream and omit the ads segments?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's the thing, I don't think the mechanism exists (or works) yet. I'm confident it will someday, but I didn't think it worked yet.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can adblock twitch, I assume it wouldn't be too different from that

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Twitch (and YouTube currently) switches to a new content stream to play an ad, which is easy to detect and block in an extension. If I understand the tech correctly, server side ads would be stitched into the playing content stream. The extension would have to know the content of the video to know that an ad is playing. There are some clever ways that might be caught (looking for spikes in bitrate, volume differences, etc), but none of that currently exists in the software in the OP.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can click on the ad right? Detect that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let's assume you can use that to determine the beginning of an ad, how do you know how much to skip?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Until the clickable part is gone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Couldn't I check how far along the video is?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

AFAIK currently, they just add black video into the YouTube video, and play an ad separately from the main video stream. That's what I've heard about people with working ad block who got this, there was just black video added to their YouTube video

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

IIRC, Twitch uses similar ad injection. Ad blockers get around it by opening new video streams until they find one that isn't running an ad. Could be wrong though, I'm parroting an uncited comment.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Even then, the only fool proof way of getting around server side ads is using an adblocking proxy that pipes the video stream into a different country. And public proxies available are not foolproof because of excessive traffic or whatnot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And specifically this is for TTV.LOL revolving around Twitch.

I think the same applies to YouTube in the same countries Twitch can't play ads in. But I haven't seen anything about YouTube adblocking proxies like TTV.LOL.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why is it that they can’t play ads in certain countries?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Theres basically a bunch of countries that forbid Twitch or YouTube from playing ads. Like at all.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

They can block some kinds of server-side ads. And if google has those already, they have been quite successful against youtube.

But yeah, they won't block all server-side ads.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

That's the point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd be satisfied with replacing the ad segment with some other video temporarily.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Your browser just receives a single video file, there's no way to tell where in that video there's an ad, if there even is one

You can't remove nor replace it if you don't know what to remove or replace

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago