All these weird numeric names. I'm gonna build a GPU and name it Jonathan.
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Just don't name it Steve. You're in for a world of troubles with GPU Steve.
The Arc cards actually have a really fun generational naming mechanic.
It's RPG classes. First gen was Alchemist. Second (what the article is about) is Battlemage. I'm guessing we're getting Cleric, Druid, etc.
It's Celestial, so sayeth Steve
sorry, apple already took that one. call it Jeff or something.
Intel GPU claims are NEVER true.
Meh, I ended up with an A770 for a repurposed PC and it's been pretty solid, especially for the discounted price I got. I get that there were some driver growing pains, but I'm not in a hurry to replace that thing, it was a solid gamble.
The A770 was definitely a "fine wine" card from the start. Its raw silicon specs were way stronger than the competition, it just needed to grow into it.
This ones a bit smaller though...
Their promo benchmarks have it beating the 770, though, whcih is still a viable card at this price point. It'll be interesting to see if that pans out on reviews with independent tests.
Not in the market for one of these, but very curious to see how the 780 fares later. Definitely good to have more midrange options.
The whole goal of battlemage was to increase utilization and cut down on wasted silicon. The overall number of transistors are almost the same. If utilization of those transistors is much more efficient then 25% should easily be doable with all of the other architectural improvements.
If they double up the VRAM with a 24GB card, this would be great for a "self hosted LLM" home server.
3060, 3090 prices have been rising like crazy because Nvidia is vram gouging and AMD inexplicably refuses to compete. Even ancient P40s (double vram 1080 TIs with no display) are getting expensive. 16GB on the A770 is kinda meager, but 24GB is the point where you can fit the Qwen 2.5 32B models that are starting to perform like the big corporate API ones.
And if they could fit 48GB with new ICs... Well, it would sell like mad.
I always wondered who they were making those mid- and low-end cards with a ridiculous amount of VRAM for... It was you.
All this time I thought they were scam cards to fool people who believe that bigger number always = better.
Also "ridiculously" is relative lol.
The Llm/workstation crowd would buy a 48GB 4060 without even blinking, if that were possible. These workloads are basically completely vram constrained.
Yeah, AMD and Intel should be running high VRAM SKUs for hobbyists. I doubt it'll cost them that much to double the RAM, and they could mark them up a bit.
I'd buy the B580 if it had 24GB RAM, at 12GB, I'll probably give it a pass because my 6650 XT is still fine.
I’m reserving judgement of course to see how things actually play out but I do want to throw a cheapest pc together for my nephew and that card would make a fine centerpiece.
don't forget mini PC like a beelink with a 8745HS for instance can be pretty great for games
Funny the Radeon RX 480 came out in 2016 at a similar price. Is that a coincidence?
Incidentally the last great generation offering a midrange GPU at a midrange price. The Nvidia 1060 was great too, and the 1080 is claimed to maybe be one of the best offers of all time. Since then everything has been overpriced.
The RX 480 was later replaced by the 580 which was a slight upgrade at great value too. But then the crypto wave hit, and soon a measly 580 cost nearly $1000!!! Things have never returned quite back to normal since. Too little competition with only Nvidia and AMD.
30 series started to look like a return to good priced cards. Then crypto hit and ruined that. Now we have AI to keep that gravy train going. Once the AI hype dies down maybe we'll see cards return to sane pricing.
It's a pretty decent value when stacked up against RTX 4000 and RX 7000 GPUs.
But we're only a month or two from the next generation of Nvidia & AMD cards.
Those companies could even shit the bed for a second generation in a row on price-to-performance improvements, and the B580 will probably just end up being in-line with those offerings.
Yeah,but by the time the 5060 is available, the tarrifs will have it at $450+.
Yeah, I'll be curious to see how that all plays out.
Current GPU pricing still seems to have the 2019-2020 25% GPU tariff price baked-in. Note how prices didn't drop 25% when those were rescinded.
Do Nvidia & AMD factor those in their pricing and give consumer a break? Or do they just jack up prices again and aim for mega-profits?
Hell, will the tariffs even happen? At one point, those tariffs were supposedly contingent on U.S. Federal income taxes being abolished, and being used to replace that government tax income. The income tax part seems to have been dropped from the narrative ever since the election.
I literally just fomod myself into a 7900 XTX today because of the possibility of the price hikes.
As someone with a 6650 XT, which is a little slower than the 6700 or 4060, I doubt the increased vram, which is of course still nice, is enough to push it for 1440p. I struggle even in 1080p in some games, but I guess if you're okay with ~40 FPS then you could go that high.
Unfortunately, if the 4060 is roughly the target here, that's still far below what I'm interested in, which is more the upper midrange stuff (and I'd love one with 16 GB vram at least).
At least the price is much more attractive now.
Dunno, realisticly speaking it is a slightly cheaper 7600, hardly a market shake-up.
Seems like a decent card, but here are my issues:
- 12 GB RAM - not quite enough to play w/ LLMs
- a little better than my 6650 XT, but not amazingly so
- $250 - a little better than RX 7600 and RTX 4060 I guess? Probably?
If it offered more RAM (16GB or ideally 24GB) and stayed under $300, I'd be very interested because it opens up LLMs for me. Or if it had a bit better performance than my current GPU, and again stayed under $300 (any meaningful step-up is $350+ from AMD or Nvidia).
But this is just another low to mid-range card, so I guess it would be interesting for new PC builds, but not really an interesting upgrade option. So, pretty big meh to me. I guess I'll check out independent benchmarks in case there's something there. I am considering building a PC for my kids using old parts, so I might get this instead of reusing my old GTX 960, the board I'd use only has PCIe 3.0, so I worry performance would suffer and the GTX 960 may be a better stop-gap.
12 GB RAM - not quite enough to play w/ LLMs
Good. Not every card has to be about AI, there's enough of those already; we need gaming cards.
If their claims are true, I'd say this is a decent upgrade from my RX 6600 XT and I'm very likely buying one.
Sounds like a ~10% upgrade, but I'd definitely wait for independent reviews because that could be optimistic. It's certainly priced about even with the 6600 XT.
But honestly, if you can afford an extra $100 or so, you'd be better off getting a 6800 XT. It has more VRAM and quite a bit better performance, so it should last you a bit longer.
There are some smaller Ollama Llama 3.2 models that would fit on 12GB. I’ve run some of the smaller Llama 3.1 models under 10GB on NVIDIA GPUs
Using ML upscaling does not qualify it as a 1440p card... what a poor take.
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How is compatibility with older games now?
Because I'm not buying a GPU unless it works with everything.
We'll see come launch, but even the original Arc cards work totally fine with basically all DX9 games now. Arc fell victim to half baked drivers because Intel frankly didn't know what they were doing. That's a few years behind them now.
Intel designed their uarch to be DX 11/12/Vulkan based and not support hardware level DX9 and older drawcalls, which is a reasonable choice for a ground-up implementation- however it does also mean that it only runs older graphics interpreters using a translation/emulation layer, turning DX9 into DX12. And driver emulation is an always imperfect science.
A lot of it will have been because half the game optimisation code was often inside the drivers.
So Intel devs may not know what they were doing, but game devs are often worse.