I make coffee at home, I don't import it.
Not like you millennials with your fancy frappy cappy whatever.
That's why you can't afford a house.
this post was submitted on 23 Nov 2024
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Yeah I like my crappy fappys
Slow down there McAfee
I thought it was the avocado toast
the only state that grows coffee is hawaii and their coffee is already more expensive than anything you'll find on the shelf now
Puerto Rico.
Still 2 to 4x the cost of beans from other countries, more than the tariffs.
The high price is from high labor costs. So, once tarrifs happen, it'll be competitive, no?
Are the tariffs 1-300%?
Jones act probably matters somewhat here too
and apparently california now too--though i don't know if they sell it, or are still working on getting production going
Not a state, a colony.
... and that's relevant, how? Were talking about tarrifs. Puerto Rican coffee has no increase in tarrifs. Puerto rico grows coffee - not a particularly huge amount of it, (yet), but it's good (not great).
So far
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Chocolate.
Anything that uses palm oil.
Which is seemingly everything at this point. Disappointing how much stuff uses it.
tl;dr: Cows produce more milk when their diet includes palm oil. Tariffs on palm oil will even make milk more expensive.
A ton of produce is imported here, too. It's often easier to import from the southern hemisphere for things otherwise out of season. Tariffs on that would be asinine, of course, but these people are morons so...
Should we really import products that are out of season though?
While it is ideal to eat within season, it's not inherently bad that we import things that are in season elsewhere. Global supply chains can be eco-friendly and the alternative can actually be more wasteful (like growing in places without water but a lot of sun, like Cali) but they do need to be pressured into doing it that way.
Honestly, the other alternative is just going back to pre-global trade, which would be a few centuries. I'm down for bringing back wind sails, though!
Lots of our veggies come up from mexico and south america. Unless those tariffs are specifically targeted at china, that stuff will rise too
This will not be popular but coffee is absolutely a luxury lol.
I have occasional moments where I try to sit and think about the fact that you could take almost anyone from a few hundred years ago and they'd be just floored by the quantity and kinds of food available, like just the crazy flavors and variety of snack foods themselves.
And then show them just hot and cold water on demand, the incredible ease with which waste of all kinds is handled (at least for most of us). The time it takes to get dressed and wash clothes, similar for preparing food and cleaning up.
I mean, all jokes aside, it's useful to think about the fact that - not that long ago - the things available to a ton of us as fairly default stuff - would be extreme luxury, basically royalty only, if it was available at all. Of course as part of the "standard package" we've lost important things that used to be available, by default, to most folks, too. Pretty weird.
Just think about the fact that 100 years ago everyone in the world could not get get out of season fruits and vegetables unless you grew them yourself and probably needed a greenhouse.
No tomatoes, no strawberries, no blueberries.
It's why preserves and fermenting were such a huge thing. Through our history humans have invented tons of methods to keep food edible during times of less abundance.
Now there's a world wide logistics network just so someone can have a fresh tomato in their salad in January.
Something that also blows my mind: pre industrial era, people had more free time than we do today.
I mean in the sense that it's not a necessity (unless you're addicted or basically addicted) but it's not fancy foreign stuff.
and cocoa beans 🍫
The fun one will be rare earth though... That will skyrocket so many things.. or makes using them in the US virtually useless as the cost at that point will work it's way all the way through the supply chain that by the time it reaches a consumer product it will be cheaper to I port the finished product and take the tariff there.
This should be a short term problem. Remember China has banned US contractors from acquiring their rare earth metals, so the US needs to start producing these materials due to the heavy exposure to imports.
There’s a big problem in the production of fighter jets because they (among other issues) need those materials that China is no longer willing to give, leading to contractors acquiring them “under the table”.
In response to this, the US rushed to advance rare earth metals production and invest in rare earth magnets production in Texas, which should start in late 2025. The reason why TSMC is starting a fab in Arizona is because the US’s first rare earth metals refinery is starting there as well, which means it should depend less on imports for these materials.
So hopefully, by mid-2026 it should be fine, that is assuming any of the other countless issues with the US economy don’t explode by then.
Bananas.
Some grown in hawaii, most not.
bananas will be fine. they're $0.50/pound for a reason
Bananas are going to have a problem in the near future, as soon as fungal evolution catches up, but yeah, Trump's tariffs aren't going to be the problem
What's that? I have a banana with me rn, is it possible that it might be my last?
Banana trees* are cloned, rather than seeded. The old banana that artificial banana flavouring is based on, the Gros Michel, cannot grow in most of the world due to fungus in the soil. The modern Cavendish banana is potentially susceptible to the same problem, if some bacteria or fungus shows up that can infect it, there goes our bananas
*Banana plants technically aren't trees, but argue with a botanist about it, trees are stupid
MAGA forgets what happened when someone fucked with our Tea supply. And we don't even (as a country) like tea all that much.
what happened to your font?
Just buy the American grown coffee beans /s/
I remember one of the presidents asking why, when everything is supposed to be made in u.s.a. they buy Columbian coffee and not U.S. coffee and he was told it's too expensive for the president.
Kona blend 'bout to get real popular and even more expensive.