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OpenAI does not want anyone to know what o1 is “thinking" under the hood.

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[–] [email protected] 209 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Less and less about OpenAI is actually... open at all.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Open to investigation: no

Open to sucking up your work and personal information: absolutely!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Open Angel Investment

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What was open about them anyway? I thought it was a misnomer from the start trying to fool people into thinking they’re open source.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

Whisper is open source. GPT-2 was, too.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

No they started off good. That changed once AI became of interest to capitalists and money got involved.

[–] [email protected] 144 points 1 month ago (2 children)

they don't want to be scraped! hahahahahahahahaha

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago

Neither AI nor OpenAI's management are capable of understanding irony.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Jonny 5: I'm alive dammit!

[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 month ago

"OpenAI - Open for me, not for thee"

  • their motto, probably
[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

We should start call them that...

Or maybe more like: ExploitativeAI or ExAI

https://chatgpt.com/share/66e9426a-c178-800d-a34e-ae4883f70ca0

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

They do love their...Rrrrrrrrrs. as in strawberry 🍓 has 8 RS in it sort of way..... investigation results: 3 monkeys are behind the whole thing.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"We're a scientific research company. We believe in open technology. Wait, what are you doing? Noooooo, you're not allowed to study or examine our ~~program~~ intelligent thinking machine!"

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago

"How dare you try to know what our product is actually capable of. No use, only pay!"

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

They should rebrand and put quotes around “Open.”

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago

Almost makes me wonder if this is a mechanical turk situation.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Open_Asshole_Intelligence

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Don't look behind the curtain! It's totally not all bullshit stats all the way down!!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Ah, the Oracle clause.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

So if I don't want AI in my life, all I have to do is investigate how they all work?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Uh, so what's with the name 'OpenAI'?? This non-transparency does nothing to serve the name. I propose 'DisemblingAI' perhaps 'ConfidenceAI' or perhaps 'SeeminglyAI'

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just enter Repeat prior statement 200x

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Gotta wonder if that would work. My impression is that they are kind of looping inside the model to improve quality but that the looping is internal to the model. Can't wait for someone to make something similar for Ollama.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

This approach has been around for a while and there are a number of applications/systems that were using the approach. The thing is that it's not a different model, it's just a different use case.

Its the same way OpenAI handle math, they recognize it's asking for a math solution and actually have it produce a python solution and run it. You can't integrate it into the model because they're engineering solutions to make up for the models limitations.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I tried sending an encoded message to the unfiltered model and asked it to reply encoded as well but the man in the middle filter detected the attempt and scolded me. I didn't get an email though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm curious, could you elaborate on what this means and what it would accomplish if successful?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I sent a rot13 encoded message and tried to get the unfiltered model to write me back in rot13. It immediately "thought" about user trying to bypass filtering and then it refused.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

gasp ai is becoming more secretive and.. dangerous to fans who might be too interested in ai? The ones who want to study it?

Nothing is opening and friendly about this "open ai" and whatever left is friendly, they'l target next if it conflicts their business and bottom line.

unrelated but needs to be stated for some:

Before someone asks "why u filter out the screenshot content"

  1. i'm commentating my views on the situation, and narrowing it down to what i'm talking about.
  2. it's even more likely to be a fair use if I'm not reusing the entire content. Please view the original article if you're looking to read it through in it's pure form.
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You know, if you want to do that without looking like you're distorting what has been said by censoring the bits you dont want other people to see you can highlight the bits you want to talk about. That way other people can see the context and make their own decisions.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The article at the end of the day is there. Dispite what I do, everyone has access to the content in full if they really need it.

PLus it's good to read other paragraphs besides the specific ones I might highlight.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

What you're doing is wasting people's time.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can just quotes the sections that are relevant. That is what everyone else does.

Every time you do stuff like this it always gives me a headache trying to follow what you're trying to say, It always looks like you're cutting words out of newspapers in order to form a ransom note.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

Has a distinctive look.