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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago (3 children)

auto manufacturers had violated Washington state’s privacy laws by using vehicles’ on-board infotainment systems to record and intercept customers’ private text messages and mobile phone call logs.

But the appellate judge ruled Tuesday that the interception and recording of mobile phone activity did not meet the Washington Privacy Act’s standard

Privacy is a fundamental human right.

Just not in Usa, as it seems. Here it is indeed the law that needs to be fixed.

https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/is-privacy-a-human-right/

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, pretty much every government breaks its own rules, particularly when privacy is involved.

We have the largest and most invasive world governments in the history of the world thanks to the overwhelming technology that allows such a thing. And even governments that pretend to follow the rules just get their buddies in another country to do their dirty work for them. "I can't spy on you, but England can!"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah and if the government is doing it you know other people have gotten their hands on it and are using it for gains.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Isn't this just a basic legal concept?

"In order to claim damages, there must be a breach in the duty of the defendant towards the plaintiff, which results in an injury"

Basically the judge is saying the plaintiff didn't establish the basic foundation of a tort case. He's not saying this isn't wrong, he's saying they didn't present the case in a way that proves it.

It's not enough to say "you shouldn't be doing this"--even if that's true.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

the question here is, on it's face does an invasion of privacy constitute an injury? I'd argue that yes, it does. Privacy has inherent value, and that value is lost the moment that private data is exposed. That's the injury that needs to be redressed, regardless of whether or how the exposed data is used after the exposure. There could be additional injury in how the data is used, and that would have to be adjudicated and compensated separately, but losing the assurance that my data can never be used against me because it is only know to me is absolutely an injury in and of itself.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean how did I get checks from Google and Facebook for violating privacy then?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

The lawyers proved the case

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (30 children)

Disappointing result but this seems like something for the legislature to fix. Courts aren't always the solution, sometimes you have to just fix the damn law.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

But that would mean the politicians would have to actually work instead of photo ops and promises!!!!

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

America sucks. Seriously. I'm just waiting for another country to bring it to the USA, because it seems inevitable.

People gotta stop putting faith into these ultimately crooked nations.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

I mean ok but the fact that your car is spying on you has to break a thousand big tech nda’s

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I wonder how long until we get to jailbreak our cars just so those cock suckers can’t spy on us.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (12 children)

This is why I keep my 2006 toyota in tip top shape. I will drive that car as long as I possibly can.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've got a 2007 Kia that I'm planning to drive until I can't fix it anymore

So far that's proving to be a pretty easy given the cost and availability of parts

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Really considering taking out a loan just to fix an old car instead of buying new.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm taking my 2006 Avalon to 300k miles and beyond!

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of these companies needs to be beached to prove damages, I guess.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

So ask the judge why car companies want to track judges?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Obvious next question: how’s the privacy policy on 3rd party stereo makers like Pioneer, Kenwood, Alpine, Jensen, etc.?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why risk it? Build your own with a raspberry pi and a touchscreen.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is what I want, but they make it very difficult to build something with parity unless you're willing to sniff CANBUS codes one by one

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Got a link to a good project of that type? I've been thinking about this recently.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well.. fuck. More reason to not buy newer cars. At least you Americans are lucky. You can drive a dinosaur if it met with regulations. You technically don't have to buy new cars.. ever.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Setting aside questions of legality, it seems kind of like it wouldn't encourage someone to purchase their cars.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Not a problem! Jack used car prices up to new cars, prevent public infrastructure and provide benefits for cars, all car manufacturers have similar privacy policies. Combine all three and you have customers that need a car to live, might as well get a new one if decade old ones are the same price or have no stock, and suddenly there isn't much choice.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

That only helps when there's viable alternatives. Since pretty much all auto manufacturers do something like this it's not really a distinguishing feature.

And even if it was: how much worse/more expensive would a car need to be for you to not pick it over one that reads your text messages. And then ask the same question not for "you", but for the average consumer. Then be sad ...

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well I am still so happy that I decided specifically to get a newish car that doesn't have a touchscreen or any of this nonsense.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It can't be illegal because you agree to allow them when you purchase the new vehicle. It's all there in the T&C and PP, which no one ever reads. Don't like it? Don't buy new cars. I won't.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So if I buy a used car they can’t do all that right?

Right?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Illegal terms in T&C are still illegal regardless of whether you agreed to them or not in the US.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wait, how are CARS intercepting mobile activities?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

When you connect to Bluetooth, it asks your phone to share call, contact and SMS information.

Think like the old horrible headunit text implementation, the ability to scan your contact list from the car, and see your recent calls.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Through android auto and apple car play would be my guess, but i don't know.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Mozilla tested a bunch. Try a search on the platform and see.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Just gotta get someone to hack their system. Then it'll be easy to prove damages

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yet another item on my list of why I'll never buy a modern car.

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