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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The original film the song appears (Neptune's Daughter) in actually sings the song twice. The first one is very clearly "I want to leave" vs "but you can't." He literally takes the hat off of her head, and she seems very irritated throughout.

The second is a woman trying to stop a man from leaving, to the degree that he ends up putting her clothes on by mistake in an attempt to leave faster. And, as assault of men often is, it's portrayed for laughs.

The entire song is someone refusing to take "no" for an answer. At no point does the typically female role ever make an excuse to STAY, only to LEAVE.

Edit: No idea why "the song where a man stops a woman from leaving is a bit rapey" is a controversial opinion.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I think you are mistaking the desire to leave as a personal desire and not an obligation due to social pressure.

The socond set of back and forth is all about other people's expectations and then hesitsting.

My mother will start to worry (beautiful, what's your hurry?)

And father will be pacing the floor (listen to the fireplace roar)

So really I'd better scurry (beautiful, please don't hurry)

Well maybe just a half a drink more (put some records on while I pour)

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago

But you say they are coming up with excuses for her. There are no excuses provided there.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Watch the damn scene. She is trying to brush him off. She wants to leave, and he is not letting her. She is politely saying no, and he is politely forcing her to stay. Even if it is due to social pressure, let her fucking leave.

"Well maybe just a half a drink more" is said when he has just snatched the coat off her back and is still holding it. Her face is a picture of resignation, not coy flirtation. She then asks "say, what's in this drink" and puts it down with a scowl on her face.

This is flirtatious by the standards of a Sean Connery movie.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The song predates that by five years.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I didn't know that. Looked it up. It was only publicly released around the film, and only sung at parties before that. Also, he sold the song without his wife's consent and it almost ended their marriage.