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I'm all for pirating, but tbh music streaming apps are a service that is still in the "worth it" range. Not where Spotify is going, but, maintaining a library of high quality music with all the assets, and serving it to all your devices over the Internet is not a small feat to do securely.
I'll probably switch to tidal for now while I start building up my library to include stuff beyond what I like...
You should check out Plexamp while you bridge the gap. It has tidal support built in, and you can self-host your own collection as you build it up. Then when you’re done with tidal, you don’t have to learn or download a new app.
There is no point to self hosting music streaming in my opinion.
Just have syncthing sync your music folder on your SD card to your server. Everything local and available when you want it.
Plex is slowly being enshittified too it seems, just slower.
Use Jellyfin as an alternative, it's awesome!
I do, but the music streaming on jellyfin is nowhere near as nice as plexamp.
Just syncing all of your files locally is far superior to either unless your library is like >250GB.
Streaming is a different use case than playing your own music which is essentially what plexamp and jellyamp are doing with extra steps. There are much better local music players than either option.
Plex is also on the route of enshittitfication. Jellyfin is the better recommendation imo. A variety of apps that can connect to it too, for either streaming or music.
For music libraries:
Finamp: https://f-droid.org/packages/com.unicornsonlsd.finamp/
Fintunes: https://f-droid.org/packages/nl.moeilijkedingen.jellyfinaudioplayer/
I run both side-by-side, but for me Plex is still the clear winner right now for features and polish.
Plexamp, Lidarr, Lidarr extended, Tailscale. Done.
Done. Until it can’t find a decent quality option for an album you’re searching for.
A guy I know decided to move away from Spotify and pirate music. The amount of effort he went through means it’s something I’ll probably never try.
This is the biggest problem for me. I have thousands of movies and 10s of thousands of TV episodes, but my audio library is still all the same stuff I downloaded from Napster, Limewire, Kazaa 20+ years ago. It's too hard to find a good selection these days outside of a few private trackers. I'm in several private trackers but I'm not going to sit in a queue for 2 days waiting for an interview time and jump through hoops to join something like RED or PTP tier tracker.
Not to mention I mostly listen to podcasts these days and when I do listen to music, I try to find new stuff that I've never heard of rather than searching for a known artist. This would be way too convoluted to do on my own with some self-hosted solution.
I’ve been using deemix, and for the most part it’s been pretty seamless. Stuff direct downloads instantly, but it’s all in 128kbps now unfortunately. Then I have lidarr monitor everything for a lossless version.
Are you saying Deemix only downloads at 128kbps? If so, I've been using it as well and download in FLAC. Also, I pay for the family plan which is $15.99/month.
Edit: Ah, I'm guessing you're not on a paid Deezer plan.
Yeah I’m on the free plan which used to include FLAC and 320kpbs, but they stopped doing that for free plans about a year ago I think.
USENET. Thank me later
Got one or two you might recommend?
Just some perspective: I've been self-hosting stuff for 7y now, started with plex on a nas. I have tried a couple times to get the *arr stack working, one at a time and fuck me it's complex and the risk of fucking up the config and data crossing the clearnet without a VPN, noooope fuck right off with that. That risk/reward just is too skewed for me.
it's not that complex, really. Yet, the variant I described doesn't do anything torrenty. It scrapes the songs from tidal.
But how do you handle music discovery?
Since all music services I've tried so far are laughably shit at that anyway, Last.fm is your friend. Besides, Plexamp tries to get you into a Tidal subscription and suggests things from there, so you'll get stuff here nad there.
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As someone else said: it doesn't replace streaming even a little. Pirating is replacing buying music directly. Streaming facilitates finding new music and trying it out. Being able to listen to anything at any time. You simply can't do that with downloads; no one can download everything. Piracy in this case really just works for people still listening to their highschool favs and not people looking for new stuff all the time.
I used to download exclusively when I was younger, but as I get older I’m trying out new genres from different cultures than my own and I’d miss out on it all without a streaming service.
In my opinion it’s worth it.
I never had trouble finding new music without those recommandation algorithms.
Yes and no. It's more cumbersome for sure but I used to find music on YouTube and all that back in the day then download it.
This dude hasn't heard of pirate streaming services.
Do they have the libraries of Spotify or Apple music?
yeah actually
Yes, in fact there are modded versions of the Spotify app (idk about apple) to access their library for free.
Do they work like ReVanced Youtube and just remove ads/restrictions while keeping account properties? Or do they work like NewPipe and block all the algorithm stuff, use their own accounts/playlists?
Some do the first, some do the other
It replaces paying for Spotify because its possible to download Spotify premium. Best of both worlds. Use Spotify or YouTube to find stuff, send it to a seedbox, load it later at home.
Biggest downside is most phones don't have SD card slots anymore.
Sent from my (slightly salty) hacked pixel 7
Dear lord no. You can still use Spotify, YTM, and a host of other services to discover new music. The argument was valid back in the days of the excellent Google Play Music, but the algorithm has gone to shit since. There are also tons of sources of user curated playlists you can use to fund new music.
I am 51 and if I let algorithms pick my music I would never discover most of what I find and constantly be fed thirty year old music. Just this past month I discovered mehro, King Woman, Sugar High and Parra for Cuva.
InnerTune. Its on F-Droid
Just installed this. I love you!
Or put some effort into finding new music? The algorithms have never suggested me anything good anyway.
I use a cracked Spotify client but if I do legitimately pay, it will be for Tidal. I want that sweet sweet lossless audio people have been talking about.
I'm just here to appreciate the Buccee's icon, carry on!