Anakin has a clear motive, and a logical progression from naive to evil.
Danny just decides to lose her shit one day.
The ending of GoT will never stop being a sore spot for me. Some of the worst writing and abandonment (sabotage?) of character development I've ever witnessed.
The worst part is all the investment I had into it. Not just emotional investment but also time spend getting to know the lore and coming up with theories
You nailed it on the head
It’s a bingo!
Don't worry, it will pay off when the books are finished!
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You've got it all wrong! It was actually an incredibly genius move, as the writers knew that after 7 seasons of twists, turns and surprises, the audience wouldn't really be phased by any characters death anymore. We'd become so accustomed to sudden character deaths that watching GoT became the literal incarnation of "expect the unexpected" and you can't shock people who are just waiting for it to happen. So what did the showrunners do? They did the only thing nobody expected, assassinated the only target they knew would still get a reaction out of people after all this time - they killed off the show itself.
Yeah but they had that big movie deal to get working on, had to put a bow on it.
The thing that still blows my mind is that they evidently could not comprehend that pulling this sort of bullshit would have sharply negative effects on their future in all of showbusiness. Like, they had a Star Wars movie signed. That’s still a bit of a thing nowadays, and when they got it, it was an even bigger deal. And they spiked it because they couldn’t be fucked to put in the effort to give one of the most popular TV series EVER a reasonably meaningful, satisfying, and well-written conclusion.
Even if we get nothing else from those last seasons, at the very least it'll serve as a warning to show runners in future. You can be responsible for one of the biggest and best shows ever but if you don't stick the landing people will never forgive you.
I wonder how they feel about it now, what a waste of an opportunity.
I hope it drives them to drink cheaply.
I feel so sorry for the actors and other people who worked on the show, besides D and D of course. Imagine being part of the biggest TV thing ever and having incredible success, only for it all to fall apart towards the end, completely removing the thing from public consciousness.
Man, remember when they had the cast do that media blitz for the final season, and Peter Dinklage was just giving off Hide The Pain Harold vibes for the whole interview? That must have been rough :(
Yeah, that must have been brutal. Some of the actors let a couple of negative sentences slip during those interviews, but I'm sure they weren't allowed to.
I don't know if a single clip shows this better than the reaction of Varys' actor to his characters death. Just imagine having to sit at a table WITH THE SHITHEADS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE for butchering an amazing character you should be remembered for, and not being able to say anything. Fuck.
It was so frustrating because the actors kinda obviously all gave a shit and wanted the show to be good, and D&D just… didn’t.
Danerys going crazy should have been set up YEARS in advance. She spends the first 7 seasons doing everything she can to avoid needless suffering and talking about how she's going to "break the wheel."
Then, over the course of only 3-4 episodes in Season 8, D & D flip her switch from "good" to "evil" like the Krusty the Clown doll and she slaughters an entire city. This is not "character growth." This contradicts everything we've been shown about her character.
Honestly a huge amount of people overlooked the red flags with Danerys, because reasons. The final flip to full on crazy was poorly done, but there was a history of violent and cruel outbursts.
Let Kahl Drogo violently kill her brother. Burned Mirri Maaz Durr alive. Crucified the slave masters of Meereen. Burned the horse lords alive.
I think the difference is those are portrayed in a way where you're still supposed to be rooting for her. Every one of those people, as brutally as they were killed, were monumental assholes. And instead of letting the viewer grapple with the fact that they're on the side of a sadistic monster torturing someone to death, to explore the dangers of prioritizing vengeance over justice, the story just moves on. There's a lot they could have done to bring the consequences of Dany's shortsighted rage into perspective, really give the viewer several moments of "yeah, I see why she did it in the heat of the moment, but damn, that's fucked up". Then, her subsequent heel turn would feel like the logical conclusion of her arc.
Then just give her time to be the main antagonist for a bit. What's the point of spending a series long arc setting up a powerful villain if she's not actually given any screentime as the villain?
If they were extremely accomplished at one thing, it was throwing away almost a decade worth of character and story development for basically every surviving character in the show, which is honestly impressive
Well sure, but you have to admit that's a pretty low bar.
Steven Crowder is a piece of shit human.
(couldn't find the template i had but i think this can do) lets spread Calvin!
Clone Wars did a great job portraying Anakin's gradual slide. There was nuance and plenty of exposure of the good parts of his character. His friendship with Obi-Wan was in evidence. His relationship with Padme was believable.
The fact that post-pubescent prequel-Anakin was ever trusted by anyone is at best evidence of how the dark side clouds perception.
In the prequels, from EPII he continuously felt like someone who should clearly be a Sith being shoehorned into being a Jedi. His friendship with Obi-Wan existed in name only, and his "romance" with Padme was in fact not a better romance than Twilight. (And that's saying something.)
OG fans waited decades to see Vader's backstory, and what we got was about the least rewarding most hamfisted and uninteresting portrayal of that backstory that could have been achieved. Decades of fan appetite regarding that backstory, possibly the only time such a thing has been maintained in the history of cinema, or likely will be again, and Lucas gave us Jar-Jar, cringe dialog, limp acting, and endless CGI.
D&D royally fucked up with GoT, but using the prequels to shine a light on that reads like something from The Onion.
The whole point of it is that whatever you described is still somehow better than that disappointing bullshit of a last season
haven’t seen this douche in a while. imho people should cover his stupid face with the face of whoever the meme is referencing 🤷♂️
Are we including the Clone Wars? Because for me, that filled in a lot of gaps and made the movies more enjoyable.
I will never not read D and D as Dungeons and Dragons, so this was highly confusing to me at first 😂
The fuck does Dungeons and Dragons have to do with Star Wars?
David Benioff and DB Weiss are the two dumbos that ruined game of thrones. I don't like that they're abbreviated to be confused with the ttrpg Dungeons and Dragons, but it's what the internet decided.
Well it’s mainly because D&D decided it’d be a great idea to do it mostly over the course of a single episode
they think shocking effect just for the sake of shocking is great, and always works for GoT.
NOPE.
Dany the compassionate and kind, snapped just in 1 episode to become his father, burrrn them all.
Jaime whole character arc become waste that he came back to Cersei after post nut clarity with Briene.
Jon Snow, the Ice and Fire, the prince who was promised, Azor Ahai, simping for muhh qweeen, yells at zombie dragon, while Arya stab the big bad Night King like it was just random villain.
Varys, Littlefinger, and Tyrion, those who always playing 4D chess, become so dumb that it hard to watch.
and the most shocking of all: "and who has a better story than Bran the Broken?" like what the fuck man, I thought Bran story become much sinister and dark that he is the Bran of All Time (Bran the Builder, Bran that become Night King, and other Bran, etc). Like, also why bother create a story about the connection between him (as three eyed raven) and the Night King, psychic bond between them when he wargs, etc. and no, it's just "Westeros now are adopting Democracy, and Bran is the leader choosen by the council" thing.
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I love how Game Of Thrones ended like 3 years ago and the internet is still processing our collective trauma from how objectively terrible season 8 was.
Both were a bit crap in my opinion. Ok, Dany's was Taco Bell volcano diarrhea level.
Agree, ending of GOT made of lot of people stop being long time fans.
Rushed and not that well tought out.
I just tell people that GoT is the best 4 season TV show in history.
I do appreciate season 5 for the sand snakes jail scene at least.
It's like a hurdles race for toddlers. Its literally just a bar on the ground to hop over, and they still sometimes fail.
Anakin has a clear motive, and a logical progression from naive to evil.
...did he, though?
Anakin did not like sand, so therefore he had to kill all the younglings to win Padme's love. It's a very clear yet compelling character arc.
I'd say so
plucked from poverty and slavery, despite his mother remaining helpless, by a Jedi that was a part of an order that ultimately saw him as an unscrupulous means to an end of maintaining their power
he felt as though he could make a bigger difference than he was allowed if stated order relinquished their attempt at controlling him
this feeling was vindicated by his mother's torture and subsequent death
had his previously instilled beliefs challenged by two men he respected
incredibly strong motivation to go against the Jedi's wishes to save the one person he valued more than life itself
There are people who think otherwise ??
