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Berlin’s immigration authorities are moving to deport four young foreign residents on allegations related to participation in protests against Israel’s war on Gaza, an unprecedented move that raises serious concerns over civil liberties in Germany.

The deportation orders, issued under German migration law, were made amid political pressure and over internal objections from the head of the state of Berlin’s immigration agency.

The internal strife arose because three of those targeted for deportation are citizens of European Union member states who normally enjoy freedom of movement between E.U. countries. None of the four has been convicted of any crimes.

“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

International law: Conducting and Support of Genocide is Illegal.

U.S./Germany law: Protesting Genocide is Illegal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

The challenge lies in the fact that criticism of Israel is often intertwined with accusations of anti-Semitism. Germany finds itself in a delicate position: on one hand, it has pledged unwavering support to the state of Israel; on the other hand, it must uphold the right to dissent and allow protests against Israeli policies.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It’s not delicate at all.

If you don't stick to your values when they're being tested, they're not values: they're hobbies.

—Jon Stewart

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

You say that as if they were equals. The antisemitism is supporting Israel. They are the rich Jews who paid the Nazis for the right to bail like coward, which at least partly funded the Holocaust. Then, Germany left the Jews without citizenship until 1948. They basically solved the JewiSh QueStiOn by deporting them where they come from.

Maybe Germany's commitment should go toward preventing mass killing more than protecting a specific ethnic group.

And and don't get me started on how much money the Germans have made sending weapons for the genocide. This is just a subsidy to their weapon industry at this point

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Choosing between an incredibly bad lie to commit genocide and not committing genocide must be a hard choice for Germany, knowing their history and regret for their previous genocide

No wait, Germany is supporting genocide again.

"Germany has pledged unwavering support to a genocidal colonial apartheid" really is not the own Germans think it is.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Why should anyone give a fuck about that?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Albert Einstein is 100% correct.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago

If those EU citizens take it to EU court they’d probably win very easily. Can’t just take away freedom of movement, one of the tenets of the Union, without any due process. Seriously fuck the German politicians who pressured for this. Guess fascism is making a return, didn’t even need the AfD for that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Israel applying pressure on Germany.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Israel the kings of the world?

Nah if the USA gets blamed (deserved) Germany gets fucking blamed (also deserved as the original fucking Nazis they shouldn’t have been forgiven, either).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Germany, no....

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[–] [email protected] 129 points 2 days ago (19 children)

If you search for it, its only reported by two outlets. There is not a single German newspaper reporting this, including left wing or Berlin regional ones. Searching for the names in the articles returns no results linked to Berlin or Free Palestine at all. The name of the public official also turns up nothing.

Could be misinformation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Tagesspiegel as well. One of the German papers of middle size. They also asked sources independently.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The account in the linked article presents a completely different version of events compared to the original narrative by TheIntercept.com. According to the Tagesspiegel article, individuals armed with axes reportedly forced their way into the Free University of Berlin, where they threatened staff members and caused damage to the premises.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not a different version. Just a different spin on the same story. It changes nothing. Notice how the Tagesspiegel only says that some of the protesters used axes to break into a building, then threatened employees but not if they used the axes for it. It does not say they used them as arms. It also does not say if the protesters that threatened people and vandalised the building are the ones that are now about to be deported just that they also broke in. It implies it though. The wonderful thing about implications is that you can imply stuff about someone that isn't falsifiedable. So it does not add relevant details about the four people threatened by deportation. Just spin. You are being toyed with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

In Germany, breaking and entering can lead to deportation if it's considered a serious crime and affects public safety. Authorities review each case individually based on the person's situation and the severity of the offense(Aufenthaltsgesetz). However, none of the four have been convicted of any crimes which is odd. Overall, the case is not as The Intercept portrays it. It was not merely a peaceful protest leading to an unjust deportation, nor is it in any way comparable to the situation unfolding in the United States.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 days ago

Already addressed this elsewhere so pasting the same comment; It is possible the American student contacted TheIntercept first. If TheIntercept is the first source then German media will likely pick up the story soon.

I also searched for the lawyer

“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”

Alexander Gorski is the same person who overturned Ghassan Abu-Sittah's ban from Germany which does lend a lot of credibility unless TheIntercept is straight up making up quotes from people out of thin air.

The International Centre of Justice for Palestinians (ICJP) announced in a social media post on Tuesday that it, along with lawyer Alexander Gorski and the European Legal Support Centre, had successfully challenged the travel ban imposed on Abu Sitta by Germany.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

I was also sceptical but it seems to be generally true, however the details of it are way more complicated. Read for yourself if you know German or use a translator, one of the biggest Berlin newspapers picked it up and added details : https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/nach-beteiligung-an-palastina-protesten-in-berlin-drei-eu-burgern-und-einem-studenten-aus-den-usa-droht-ausweisung-13468543.html

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Just yesterday people were cheering up germany government for rearming for war and everyone arguing against it was being downvoted.

https://lemmy.world/post/27602242

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I was there. It was weird.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

"I think re-arming doesn't do anything but spend money that could be better spent on helping people."

"Shut up, this is exactly what we need right now!"

"So you don't care about helping people?"

"That's a strawman!"

Wow it looks like we were right again, but still downvoted and removed. Odd how that always works.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Fash support fash. Germany has been supporting genocide for a long time.

It's really amazing how liberals will completely accept genocide up until the very second that it affects them.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 2 days ago

I fucking hate the timeline we're living in

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago

Fucking disgusting.

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