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[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Must be nice to be able to leave

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 days ago (4 children)

scientists are usually the first target of when a dictator takes power, they often leave before shit hits the fan. then it goes to POC, and then lgbtq+, and then non-loyalists.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Controlling the universities is for control of information.

The Nazis could easily burn down the Institute of Sex Research and all it contents. Today’s fascists cannot burn down the science on queer people and global warming.

Universities have smart people who can say “hey this is the way your economic policies are harming this group of people” or “being LGBT is a normal human variation” or “the American civil war was fought over slavery” or “here are characteristics that seem to be common to every incarnation of fascism, and how they all seem to be related to what’s happening now.”

The idiot arm attacks knowledge online with Alex Jones style “information warfare” - just repeating insane falsehoods over and over again. Never playing defense, always flooding the web with lies and half truths. This is also why fascists love AI so much. (How much time do people waste arguing with bots? And the amount of bots makes these ideas seem more “normal” and common then they are…)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It kinda seems like immigrants and anti-war protesters made it to the top of the list this time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Beat me to it. How you could say the scientists are the first to go while they are putting legal residents that have done nothing into el Salvadorian prisons is beyond me.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

They didn't say scientists are the first target, they said scientists are usually the first target. Didn't say that they were the first target in this case.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's really fucking difficult, but I'm grateful for the opportunity I have right now. For everyone's sake I really hope the biue states wake up and realize that they're not getting anything out of the Union

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If we all go in on a boat we can invade Ireland

They can't stop us all

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

The goal will be to send Americans to die in war in Greenland and other countries through drafts. They will use American citizens to fight against the allied nations of World War Two. They will send you to die against your friends. Open your fucking eyes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Seriously. I wonder why European countries aren't massively jumping on this opportunity. Like every developed country, the nations of Europe need immigrants to prop up their demographics. Most of Europe's immigrants have been coming from countries in the global South. And while such immigrants have done well for the nations of Europe, there will always be less friction in bringing in immigrants from countries of more similar culture. Fuck any racists who hate Muslims. But the cold truth is it's probably a lot easier to integrate large numbers of politically liberal Americans into European countries than it is to integrate immigrants from Muslim countries. European countries desperately need immigration, but right wing politics is on the rise, in large part due to the frictions of immigration. Obviously American and European cultures are not the same; there are still very real cultural differences. But European vs. American culture is far closer than many other cultural pairings out there.

European countries do have some very limited ancestry-based immigration policies. But they usually only go back a generation or two. If your parent or grandparent immigrated from a European country to the US, you can get easy immigration in a lot of EU countries. But for most Americans of European descent, that immigration happened generations ago.

If the EU countries were clever right now, they could take advantage of this opportunity to bring in large numbers of disaffected Americans. They could offer relocation assistance, make it cheap and easy for educated American progressives to pack their bags and jump the pond. And in exchange they get workers in their economies they don't have to train to educate, and immigrants who would assimilate quite readily into the existing cultural milieu.

Hell, personally, I'm a typical American in that I have a hodgepodge of European ancestry. But my ancestors came over before 1900, there's nowhere in Europe I qualify for immigration based on ancestry. But if one of the countries my ancestors came from wanted to made it cheap and easy for me to return to the old country, I would jump on that.

Hell, the politics of it sell itself. Bill it politically as "bringing the European diaspora home."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Funny there was a town/region in Norway (i think, it's been a long time) that had proposed such a plan. I thought it was Ringke or somesuch, but it came off as really racist, like the "we only want the white ones back" sort of thing. Not sure what became of it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Yeah it's a political tight rope. And you definitely wouldn't want to put in place any kind of horrific race or skin color requirements. You don't want some nightmare Nazi-esque racial fraction rule. Literally just, "did you have an ancestor from this country? Ok, you can come here." And yeah, if Norway decides to do that, then there will be some black Americans who happen to have some Norwegian ancestors who want to move there. And you have to be OK with that. There aren't millions of pure-blooded Norwegian Americans sitting around in the US eagerly waiting their chance to return to the homeland. There are instead people like myself. I have ancestors from all over Western Europe. The single biggest chunk of my ancestry is Norwegian, but that piece is still only like 1/4 of my ancestors. I have ancestors from Norway, Germany, France, England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, and bunch of places I don't even know about. For all intents and purposes, my ancestry is just "generic white American." American was once called "the great melting pot" for a reason.

It's a political tight rope. There's a good argument to be made for it from a purely practical perspective. If immigrants are needed, why not recruit immigrants from countries that are most similar to yours culturally? Sure, Norway and the US aren't as similar as Norway and Denmark. But there aren't tons of Danish immigrants just waiting for a chance to move to Norway. And while not the same, Norway and the US are a hell of a lot more similar than Norway and Afghanistan are.

If Norway imports 100,000 disaffected politically liberal Americans, how many mosques do you think those new immigrants are going to want to build there? Most probably won't even be religious, and most of those that are will just help fill the pews of the already half-empty Norwegian churches. There's nothing wrong with building mosques. But again, we're talking about cultural friction here. Too much change too quick, and people feel like their culture is being replaced, and they start voting for reactionary politicians. One population intrinsically causes less disruption in integration than another. And if you need immigrants, why not select from those immigrants that can most easily assimilate into the existing culture? Normally this is a moot point. There normally isn't a potential reserve of millions of culturally-similar immigrants that European countries could draw upon. But right now, due to the political situation in the US, there actually are millions of such potential culturally-similar immigrants.

There's a good practical argument, but it's hard to make the case without making yourself sound like a militant racist.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago

Wouldn't say this put loud until I'm in Canada, but yeah. Leave while you can

[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 days ago

I'd be afraid to announce it until I'm out

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm a US American who has been considering expatriating, but its too expensive.

Can someone tell me if my passport gets pulled, do I not have to pay the expatriation tax on my net worth?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

I'm positive they will tax you all the same

[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

love America because it doesn’t have kings

I'm not convinced a president who can act with greater impunity than a king in any modern monarchy is better.

I read that a lot, "we don't have a king, thank cod". Is it because you've seen what a hell hole e.g. the Scandinavian countries are? /s

A king in a modern monarchy is nothing more than a representative of the country. He cuts ribbons and holds encouraging speeches on New Year's. That's pretty much it.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (9 children)

That doesn't mean we want one

A strong Parliament/Congress and judicial system is what keeps any executive in check. We've just got the worst of both worlds.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Timothy Synder left for Canada too...

That's two less canaries in the coalmine.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago

Canaries were taken into coal mines to warn the miners of poisionous gasses by dropping dead. When the canary metaphorically picks the lock on its metaphorical cage and literally makes a break for the border, I think you can consider that a sign of a similar magnitude.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It'll take a lot more than words and guns

A whole lot more than riches and muscle

The hands of the many must join as one

And together we'll cross the river

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (18 children)

It'd take more than pulling a passport to prevent the average citizen from illegally entering Canada and claiming refugee status

But I understand the concerns, especially with this steadfast bullshit about Canada being the 51st state.

Shits fucked, yo.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago

I guess he wants to get a job there, find an apartment and then fly his family on an airplane instead sneaking in through the forest at night hoping he can spend couple months in a refugee camp whiles his application is being processed.

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