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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

good to see teller talked some sense into him

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I see what you did there.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I haven't always agreed with him politically, but Penn Jillette seems like a good dude.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am a PJ fan and follower, but I am well aware that he has long been a naive idiot operating from a place of priviledge. He is well insulated from the pitfalls of the ideas he espouses, and it took an UNDENIABLE COLLAPSE into straight up Nazism for him to finally grasp it.

Luv ya Penn, but I ain't giving you any fucking medals

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, but the bar is through the floor at this point. I'll take anything I can get.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

And the more people come out and say "oh shit I was wrong" the easier it becomes for others to do the same.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (17 children)

anyone who claims to be "a libertarian" should be forced to watch the libertarian convention which YOU KNOW none of them have ever seen in their lives.

check out the ideas your "party" pushes. real big brain stuff.

there's nothing wrong with freedom, but regulation is necessary. to say otherwise is either ignorance, stupidity, or malice.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

to say otherwise is either ignorance, stupidity, or malice

Why not all three?

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 2 days ago (12 children)

"A lot of the illusions that I held dear, rugged individualism, individual freedoms, are coming back to bite us in the ass. It seems like getting rid of the gatekeepers gave us Trump as president, and in the same breath, in the same wind, gave us not wearing masks, and maybe gave us a huge unpleasant amount of overt racism."

Hats off to a man willing to admit he made a mistake.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Penn Jilletet pulled me 100 % onto the vaccine train with his ball and shield demonstration with teller on their bull shit show. Until this day, I still haven't seen any demonstration that was more convincing than that on any subject in the amount of time that they used.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Being wrong admitting it and changing your mind with new information is absolutely amazing and a great character trait. Props to him.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There used to be a time back when libertarianism was anti-capitalist. Then right wingers stole it and turned it into a circus.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I got to meet him in Vegas. He was really nice to a nervous nerd. Now I’m even more impressed he has the courage to change his beliefs in public.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I've always considered myself a libertarian, but I'm coming to realize I need to find another word. I used to be able to explain that assholes were ruining the name, but now the assholes outnumber people like me by too much.

I think the real turning point was when Jo Jorgensen said, "It is not enough to be passively not racist, we must be actively anti-racist," and then she had to walk it back because the libertarian party was so fucking racist. Like, that's not even a political statement. It's a moral one, and it's one I agree with.

Then when the Libertarian Party changed their stance on abortion, I was done with them. I clung to the lowercase L label, but at this point it doesn't seem worth it anymore.

I just think the government should be limited to things that only the government can handle. Policing? Roads? Business regulations? Those are all things that can only be handled by the government. Restrictions on what kind of stove I can buy? Restrictions on what I can put in my body or how I dress or what my kids can read at school? Those are all bullshit.

I guess it helps that I align with Democrats on most of the major issues now, but I still won't consider myself a Democrat.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Stoves are a great example of why the richest among us want to push libertarianism. You see the freedom to buy a gas stove. They see the freedom to make products that are one penny cheaper but kill their users.

Libertarianism and anarchism in general fail to account for sociopaths who are willing to make others suffer for their own gain.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Libertarianism and anarchism in general fail to account for sociopaths who are willing to make others suffer for their own gain.

Yeah this is the main thing keeping me from adopting anarchism in any meaningful way... I like the concept of mutual aid, but I think anarchism itself relies too heavily on the idea that all people are inherently good. I think that the events of the past decade or so have eliminated all doubt for me that this isn't the case.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Don't get me wrong, I think there's useful lessons in anarchism and leftist libertarianism. They aren't bad philosophies, just not workable in a pure state

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Conservatives didn't ruin libertarianism. Libertarianism has always been bad.

Restrictions on what kind of stove I can buy?

Stuff like this is a perfect example of the issues with libertarian ideology. They want freedom to continue to destroy the environment.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago

Self awareness is such a precious thing in people but it is a prerequisite for this type of personal growth. It can be difficult but ultimately it is rewarding and fulfilling to realise there are things that you don't like about yourself and set about correcting them.

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