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The onrushing AI era was supposed to create boom times for great gadgets. Not long ago, analysts were predicting that Apple Intelligence would start a “supercycle” of smartphone upgrades, with tons of new AI features compelling people to buy them. Amazon and Google and others were explaining how their ecosystems of devices would make computing seamless, natural, and personal. Startups were flooding the market with ChatGPT-powered gadgets, so you’d never be out of touch. AI was going to make every gadget great, and every gadget was going to change to embrace the AI world.

This whole promise hinged on the idea that Siri, Alexa, Gemini, ChatGPT, and other chatbots had gotten so good, they’d change how we do everything. Typing and tapping would soon be passé, all replaced by multimodal, omnipresent AI helpers. You wouldn’t need to do things yourself; you’d just tell your assistant what you need, and it would tap into the whole world of apps and information to do it for you. Tech companies large and small have been betting on virtual assistants for more than a decade, to little avail. But this new generation of AI was going to change things.

There was just one problem with the whole theory: the tech still doesn’t work. Chatbots may be fun to talk to and an occasionally useful replacement for Google, but truly game-changing virtual assistants are nowhere close to ready. And without them, the gadget revolution we were promised has utterly failed to materialize.

In the meantime, the tech industry allowed itself to be so distracted by these shiny language models that it basically stopped trying to make otherwise good gadgets. Some companies have more or less stopped making new things altogether, waiting for AI to be good enough before it ships. Others have resorted to shipping more iterative, less interesting upgrades because they have run out of ideas other than “put AI in it.” That has made the post-ChatGPT product cycle bland and boring, in a moment that could otherwise have been incredibly exciting. AI isn’t good enough, and it’s dragging everything else down with it.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago

I mean…. Anyone could have told you that.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 23 hours ago

The this isn’t on topic necessarily but if you wanna know what they are betting on for ai look into contentcyborg.ai

They wanna flood the internet with fake people, opinions, engagement etc. This creates a feedback loop of marketing budgets flooding social media for the engagement frenzy and creating ideological Dutch disease where anything will be said for a buck. We’re already there obviously culture wise, but now we’re offshoring fake souls I guess.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This whole promise hinged on the idea that Siri, Alexa, Gemini, ChatGPT, and other chatbots had gotten so good, they’d change how we do everything. Typing and tapping would soon be passé, all replaced by multimodal, omnipresent AI helpers. You wouldn’t need to do things yourself; you’d just tell your assistant what you need, and it would tap into the whole world of apps and information to do it for you. Tech companies large and small have been betting on virtual assistants for more than a decade, to little avail. But this new generation of AI was going to change things.

I have never and will never interact with my phone by speaking to it and I don't want to be around other people who are doing that. The beauty of a touch screen and buttons is you can silently operate the device. Software can always be updated. They should be focusing on hardware features if they want to be innovative. Maybe they could start by adding back some of the shit they've removed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I have never and will never interact with my phone by speaking to it and I don't want to be around other people who are doing that.

Out of context this statement is hilarious.

It used to be that speaking to a phone was the only way to interact with it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

I have used voice commands. "Hey Google, show me the way to X," on the way to my car, or "Hey Google, call X" when I have to call a place I don't know the number to. But I rarely do anymore, as Gemini takes longer to execute than it previously did. And the idea that a five second series of "speak command, register, and execute" will go even further and replace a tap to start an app or something, is hilariously bad. It's like they never used the AI they were shoving into everything.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

the bar is so low that even a lean secure android OS without bloatware would be revolutionary.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I agree but I suspect that the problem is that people have different opinions on where the line is on that. Presumably somebody, somewhere actually plays that stupid candy crush thing on Windows for example. It’s probably a ‘valuable service’ for it to be pre installed for them.

I kinda hate them but they’re allowed to like it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I could live with pre installed apps as long as they can be removed... i remember having useless apps like google music, youtube, weird browsers and other random apps that could not be removed, I could only uninstall the updates but the base version would remain... That stuff is predatory if i do not use them why should i be forced to have them on my phone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

Yup. I remember when the iPhone first appeared, my first one was the 3GS and they had so much pre-installed nonsense. It’s very frustrating.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You wouldn’t need to do things yourself; you’d just tell your assistant what you need, and it would tap into the whole world of apps and information to do it for you.

Ah, the promise made by every futurist ever.

They’re always wrong. New inventions are used to unemploy people, insert themselves between you and what you want to extract money, or to try to sell you something.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

I'm reminded of back in the day, when people made similar promises of the personal computer back in the late 1900s. You could have the computer in your living-room, and it would check your stocks, write your letters, and do your shopping for you, without you having to lift a finger.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This just reminds me of the blockchain/NFT craze. NFT is stupid as shit but blockchain has its uses, just like LLMs. I refuse to call it AI because it’s not, it’s a language generator. A particularly expensive language generator that cost a lot of in terms of resources but still just a language generator. It’s not all that different from the crypto craze, especially if you want a GPU for other things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

As you say, LLMs have really useful applications. The problem is that “being a reliable virtual assistant” is not one of them. This current push is driven by shareholders and companies who are afraid to be seen as missing out. It’s the classic case of having what you think is a solution and trying to find the problem, rather than starting from a problem and trying to find a solution.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

Typing and tapping would soon be passé,

The tech certainly isn't ready for this. My voice input to chatgpt gets automatically translated into Welsh.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

Some More News had the right take on this: all these companies just dumped (either in investment or development) (hundreds of) billions of dollars into AI development.

The problem is, we're still 10-15 years away from AI being actually useful in gadgets and stuff. But these companies want to get paid now, so they're shoving the cheapest, shittiest "functional" AI onto the market just to try and recoup some losses. And it's painfully apparent it isn't working.

[–] [email protected] 125 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I would argue that they moved to LLMs because they had run out of ideas on actually improving cellphones. It wasn't that they were distracted by them. They are trying to distract us because they need to cell new phones every year and nothing they've come up with is really justifying shelling out $1200 for a phone that's virtually the same as the previous 3-5 iterations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

Weird. Couldn't they ask AI what features to develop next based on brand reputation, time and resources?

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This “new phone every year” is the worst consumer crapfest we have going. AI features feel like clutching at straws when seemingly everyone hates the battery life on every single phone. Slap a larger battery in there? Well now you get shit AI that burns whatever extra capacity was gained. I can’t name a single quality on an iPhone model from the last 6 years that I truly wanted, other than the size of my 13 mini. It works fine and it fits in my pocket. Now make one that stays on for a full 24 hours and doesn’t need a battery replacement every 2 years.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Blame the isheep for purchasing every crap offered.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There are plenty on Android as well and they also existed before smartphones.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just look at how ppl use their smart speakers. They ask it to set timers or ask for the weather. AI will be the norm once the benefit is obvious to everyone. When I can trust my AI with my credit card info and allow it to purchase stuff for me. Right now AI is basically a self-organizing dictionary which is often confidently incorrect. Not once has GPT told me it didn't know something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I asked chatGPT about a quote from Iain Banks - The Player of Games. It claims not to know about it's contents except for the cover blurb. Bullshit.

I fed it a detail and it suddenly remembered.

They must have programmed chatgpt to deny that it has read copyright works.

Deepseek had no such qualms. It couldn't give an exact quote but it did give what it called an approximation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

As a total aside: The baader-meinhof phenomenon at play. Just yesterday I was talking about Lain Banks because his work was quoted in a video game. And here he shows up again.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Generations* Let's not forget we produce 3 or 4 models of phones a year, per manufacturer. That's an alarming planet amount of E-waste and we don't have the raw materials to keep up this pace forever.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

And I still can't find a phone that has a replaceable battery, proper IP rating, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg, alternatively, costs thrice as much as the potato display and CPU would warrant. You can get two of the things, but not all three. I won't even begin to speak of having an unlocked bootloader, or, while having the rest in place, also a flush camera. FFS I'd be fine with no camera I just don't want a hump. I'd be fine with 720p, it's a tiny screen after all, but good contrast and not 8k doesn't seem to be a thing that companies think anyone would be interested it.

Stop fucking innovating, just apply lessons already learned. Design a phone with the mindset of designing a bottle opener.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Depends on what you mean by forever. Who knows what tomorrow brings. We could be smashed back to the stone age, and effectively extinct, sometime next week.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly yeah, none of the crap being made right now is going to appear relevant in the future, just like 3d tvs

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

3d tvs is my favorite analogy. Easiest way to illustrate the bubble of hype.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've heard it put very well that AI is either having a Napster moment in which case we will not recognise the world 10 years from now, or it's having an iPhone moment and it will get marginally better at best but is essentially in it's final form.

I personally think it's more like 3D movies and in 20 years when it comes back around we'll look at this crap like it was Red and Blue glasses.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (15 children)

I think it's iphone stage. We've had predictive text in some form or other for a long time now. But that's just LLMs. Can't speak for the image/video generators, but I expect those will become another tool in the box that gets better but does the same thing.

I just can't see a whole lot of improvement in these products making any changes top how we use them already.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I’m curious as to what the opinion of AI will be in 10 years

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm betting the same opinion we have today about 3D TVs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

Vr, crypto

All good tech but somehow it didn't land for various reasons. But root chase excessive hype and Nada on actual product delivery...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Blockchain 10 years ago was hyped like AI now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Blockchain is now used by the US president to make money in barely legal ways.

That’s not a good outlook.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I haven't gotten anything of use from Apple Intelligence. Even just using it is difficult, and Siri is possibly dumber than she was before.

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