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There were many lingua francas of which French was supposedly the first global lingua franca. That changed and it became English (from what I understand). We will probably see another language become the lingua franca, so my question is: should it be English? Are there better candidates out there? Why / why not?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 minutes ago* (last edited 12 minutes ago)

A lingua franca isn’t decided upon, it just happens to become one because of some power its speakers hold. In the Indonesian archipelago, Malay became a lingua franca because it was used by traders. In Europe, French was a lingua franca because French held a large amount of prestige among the European nobility. Now, English is the global lingua franca because English-speaking media have dominated the global media landscape.

If you want there to be another lingua franca in Europe, that language will somehow need to attain a good reason for it to become one. You can’t just pass a law proclaiming it now being ‘the lingua franca of Europe’.

Forcing people to speak eg. German by law might work, though you’ll probably have to be prepared to coerce people into actually doing so, and thus will have to ask yourself whether that’s worth it. Otherwise, there’s a good chance people will not really give a shit about your stupid law.

You could also maybe abolish all EU level accommodation for other languages than the official language in a new federalised Europe. Then, if you want anything done at that level, you have no choice but to use the official, non-English, language. This seems like it might spur an elitist environment where only a small layer of Europeans (outside of the country from which the speakers of the official language originate) will generally be able to speak that language.

This all seems a bit fantastical, though. Unless Europeans en masse stop consuming English language media, and at the same time start consuming the media of one specific other language (thus it’s a movement away from English and toward some other language by language users themselves), there won’t be a new lingua franca in Europe.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think we are at a point now where almost everybody in Europe is able to speak at least some English. So cultural exchange has never been easier. Why make it more difficult again by adding another language people have to learn first?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 35 minutes ago

As a Brit (but European at heart and strong “Remain” voter), I am quick to remind fellow Brits that English is a language heavily derived from our European ancestors: French, Latin, Germanic (Proto-Germanic, “Old English”, Old Norse, Romance, etc), Greek, Dutch, Spanish, and more.

I know the United Kingdom has been a royal asshat throughout the centuries but the mark of Europe is intense and undeniable; without Europe, there is no such thing as the English language (except perhaps a number of proper nouns that are rooted in the Celtic people and their ancestors).

I hope our European siblings can find solace in the fact that “English” is a distinctly European language that is full of words from all of our tongues.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 hour ago

English is mostly used in commercial now, changing it would be costly and you would need the commitment of many others people to accept a new change in how to approach the world or just Europe, it's a tipe of commitment I doubt people would be willingly to accept.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 hours ago

No, most people are pragmatic in this case and eastern countries changed from Russian ~30 years ago so another change isn't coming any time soon.

As my parents saw the change from "it is really appreciated that you can speak English" to "it is expected that you can use it". I can tell that it is so engrained in our multinational exchange that it won't be even desirable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 48 minutes ago (1 children)

let's all switch to Sumerian.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 minutes ago

We would be the badass of the world.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

But what instead? Spanish? German? Esperanto?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

I root for Spanish! Creating a bridge with my Latino friends and thus upsetting the US at the same time.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

It’s not possible to please everybody so I vote for Basque and pleasing nobody.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Came here to say that. I intended to propose an immensely complex language that almost nobody understands and that is unrelated to any other family of languages. My choice was Hungarian or Finnish but Euskadi (aka "Basque") clearly beats it. I had the privilege to learn some words from Basque coworker years ago when I was living in Spain for a while and I swear it is so utterly alien to anything I've heard, that it must be of extraterrestrial origin.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Basque might be the most neutral language of them all, right? Does it have a connection with any other European language?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Furthermore it's the only European language there is. Every other language spoken in Europe descends from the Eurasian steppe. Well, most likely with a pinch of Kaukasian. It's several millennia overdue that we honour the Euskari!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 41 minutes ago

Basque it is!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Nope. Basque is considered a language isolate, not related to any other language.

Wikipedia – Basque language

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

English is a global lingua franca, not just european. And it's not just because of the american and british influence, but because it's a relatively easy language.

Also the translator programs are better and better, this is actually a good and fitting usecase of current LLMs. I think we are not far away from the babel fish.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 35 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago)

No language is inherently easy to learn. Whether a language is easy to learn depends on how close it is to the languages you already know, thus to a Dutchman it will be much easier to learn English than to a Russian or a Thai. It is true that learning English is made a lot easier by having such a huge media presence, meaning it’s very easy to immerse yourself even without living in an English-speaking country.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

but because it's a relatively easy language

I literally cried learning English as a kid lol

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

Now try to learn Portuguese, or German, or Russian. English has wonky phonetics, but has a relatively simple grammar. As a bonus it's not properly standardized, so whatever you come up with is going to be correct in at least one of the existing dialects.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

As someone who learnt both German and English as a second language, German was easier.

Consistent spelling and pronounciation make a massive difference.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Plus English has influences from everywhere. In my oral abitur exam, I got stuck once or twice and made up words by anglicizing the pronounciantion of french words gaining extra points and impressed faces.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

The grammar is fairly simple, but spelling is a total train wreck and an unparalleled nightmare of inconsistencies and convoluted rules. As long as you don’t have to read or write anything, there’s not much to cry about.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Me too, but later I learned a bit of german and latin. The thing is you can fake english easily, like "why use lot word when few do trick" is a totally understandable sentence. Word order is not as stict as in german, no cases, no grammatical genders, verb tenses are mostly optional. Pronunciation is messed up though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 minutes ago

Yeah, English Grammer is basically just Germanic (not to be confused with the Germanic language German, which is just another Germanic language, not the origin). Our words though are not. Most of the words that make up most of our sentences are still their Germanic versions, but talking about specific things could use words from dozens of languages. This makes pronunciation really challenging, because you can't just know the origin from looking at it, and even if you can it might have shifted from that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

it's a relatively easy language

I don't know about that part. The orthography at least is wild.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Every 'real' languare has wild parts. there are constructed languares that don't but if they became common wild parts will likely be added over time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Yep. I always liked the idea of a conlang, but there's nothing stopping language change with them.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

English is good for the reasons pointed out. Also: It's no language of the EU (at least for now) so no country gets an edge over the others which should be considered too. (I'm a native German speaker)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's no language of the EU (at least for now)

Ireland.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

True! Obviously forgot. At least quite a small proportion. And English is just one of the two official languages.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yes. It's easy and already established. There is no reason to change it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Esperanto is a nice variant: it is much more adequate that any of those chaotically evolved "natural" languages plus nobody would have an unfair advantage just because of being lucky to be born in the English speaking country.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I like the idea. My only issue with esperanto are its heavy influence by romance languages

A substantial majority of its vocabulary (approximately 80%) derives from Romance languages, but it also contains elements derived from Germanic, Greek, and Slavic languages

That gives Spain, France, Italy, Portugal, Romania, and probably a few other countries quite a leg up. But, with influence from other languages, it would probably diversify its vocabulary (at least I hope so).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago (5 children)

Almost all languages have a very big number of words derived from Latin or French. For example Polish, which is a slavic language, has so many of Latin or French rooted words.

Esperanto apart, I think that German should be the language od Europe, because is it simply the biggest language of the EU. It is also precise. Ofc it could get simplified, because for many der/die/das is too complicated or it is too much of a hustle to remember. German could get more logical with them and then it should be no problem for everyone.

We could also think about regianal lingua-francas. For example, it could be this way that in the region of romance languages, everyone would speak French, in the region of germanic - German and in the region of slavic - Polish. Simply the biggest languages in a given region.

The funniest one but also kind of interesting would be Latin. #useLatin

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Latino sine flexione was an interesting proposition.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

We will probably see another language become the lingua franca

That's gonna take a while. Chinese is an unlikely candidate due to how difficult it is to learn to speak and especially read and write, despite the rising international influence of the Chinese state. And I rather doubt that Europe's Germanic-speaking countries will stop using English as a lingua franca anytime soon, it's just too easy to learn for them compared to any other possible candidate.

Let's hope it's not going to be Russian anytime soon.

Something like Esperanto would be a nice alternative for the EU, though. Maybe there's other artificial languages that are even better? I'm not well-versed in this topic.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

They should just stick with speaking American.

/Dodges shoes and runs away

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