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[–] [email protected] 2 points 47 minutes ago

A related question: why is the "big tough guy" image a guy in a truck?

Like, you push a pedal with your foot to make your vehicle go vroom vroom. A granny could do that.

Surely a tough guy is a guy who is straining huge muscles to make a bike hit 50 km/h. A skilled guy is one who can maneuver his bike down a narrow mountain-bike track.

Imagine looking back in history and seeing a dude being carried around in a sedan chair and thinking that was the ideal image of masculinity, rather than the surely jacked dudes carrying him.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

The auto industry will fight tooth and nail to avoid anything that impacts their revenue generation.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Human beings literally exhale CO2. This makes me curious what the actual carbon efficiency is when using a calorie to CO2 analysis factoring in the carbon footprint of the diet needed to fuel said travel.

Because IIRC carnivores are only 10% efficient, so this feels like a complicated problem. And then of course the carbon footprint of the manufacturing of various methods of transport and break even points over what periods of time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

You do need to take into account however that biking might reduce the need for other form of exercise which would counteract the increased emissions. But either way I'd bet that per km biking is vastly more efficient, as in orders of magnitude more efficient.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

This seems like something Chat Gippity might actually be of some value:

The CO₂ exhaled by a person riding a bike is tiny compared to a car’s emissions. Let's break it down:

Human CO₂ Emissions from Biking

  • A resting human exhales about 0.7 kg of CO₂ per day (~29 g per hour).
  • Moderate cycling increases breathing rate, and a cyclist might exhale around 4x more CO₂ than at rest.
  • This comes to ~116 g of CO₂ per hour.
  • A cyclist at 20 km/h would emit ~5.8 g of CO₂ per km.

Car CO₂ Emissions

  • The average gasoline car emits ~200-250 g of CO₂ per km.
  • Even efficient cars emit over 100 g of CO₂ per km, which is still far more than a cyclist.

Comparison

  • A cyclist exhales ~5.8 g CO₂ per km.
  • A typical gasoline car emits ~200 g CO₂ per km.
  • A cyclist produces ~30-40 times less CO₂ than a car per km.

Even when considering food production emissions for fueling the cyclist, biking is vastly cleaner than driving.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This is an argument for ebikes, though not the strongest one, I think. The carbon output per mile traveled on an ebike is actually a bit lower than a regular bike because the food you eat has a carbon output. Yes, this includes charging the ebike from a coal power plant.

It does output more CO2 during initial manufacturing, though. Never does quite catch up with a regular bike over their expected lifetime. Both are better than cars and it's not even close.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Interesting, I never knew that was an argument for ebikes, but as you say, if they never break even it's a moot point. Unless... Perhaps having the ebikes promoted more cycling over driving, then perhaps it changes it enough.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The only important carbon part is the carbon used in transporting and growing the food in the form of fuel. We're not releasing trapped carbon when we're eating food as the only way we would save carbon in that situation is if we grew the food and buried it. Worrying about raw energy efficiency gets nonsensical because soon you'll be factoring in the solar energy conversion efficiency between growing and eating plants vs growing and burying plants to turn them into oil.

The better point is just that a bicycle is an incredibly efficient machine for moving a person in terms of energy input to work done compared to the hunks of metal cars are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Well the meat industry is a large source of emissions isn't it? So if our meat consumption increased due to increased caloric intake, that should have a carbon impact right?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Sure but if you're using anything but carbs and fats to power exercise you're doing it wrong.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Bikes dont contribute to climate change

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

Well, I understand what you mean but they do a little. Metal and rubber production are the obvious parts. Compared to a car that burns fuel it's meaningless ofcourse.

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