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[–] [email protected] 340 points 18 hours ago (19 children)

As an American, I'm rooting for Canada.

But this all feels very by design of Putin to fracture US alliances.

[–] [email protected] 195 points 18 hours ago (11 children)

I’m so upset at my Canadian family members who supported Trump.

I got an uncle who was constantly saying he supports trump cause he’ll “run the country the country like a business” - i don’t think either trump or him actually understand business all that well.

I hope Canadian-European relations get stronger, and hopefully Canadian-American relations will be rebuilt once this fucker is gone

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

My mum last night on text.

"We’ll see what shithead Trump retaliates with tomorrow. The only way to stop the maniac is with a bullet!"

"Have you noticed how shithead has not left the White House since he was sworn in?"

"Trudeau is doing a great job!" (Referring to the presser)

I'm glad I don't have your family OP

Edit - for the kids out there my mum is 74. She's a baby boomer. Some of them are good people. They are not well off. I told my parents with the tariffs coming if they find themselves struggling to let me know because I will help in any way I can.

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Does your uncle realize trump was able to bankrupt a casino? Where they can can almost literally print money. And not just one, but three of them. This man is literally one of the most inept businessmen I have ever seen.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 14 hours ago

3 casinos. Trump bankrupted 3 casinos.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

That's the fallacy that I thought was learned back with Ross Perot. You don't run a country like a business. It's a government.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I'm pretty sure that people who say they want to "run the country like a business" just think it sounds good but haven't put 2 braincells worth of thought into it. Businesses exist to make money. Government exists to serve citizens.

Do you want firefighters showing up to your burning house and asking for a credit card before they put out the fire? Or maybe have the post office decide that it's not profitable enough to service entire states? The whole idea is moronic.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Also the USPS is too busy delivering papers full of ads and junk mail, rather than investigating mail theft.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 12 hours ago

I mean, America already charge their citizens for healthcare, so they're not that far off from your hypothetical

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Do you tell him that Trump has filed for bankruptcy six times with his companies? What does that say about his business acumen? How often has your uncle filed for bankruptcy?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

That doesn't work. The hardcore Trump supporters think bankruptcy is a genius life hack to get out from having to repay debts.

They actually believe it's smart to borrow money, hide them in other businesses and personal accounts, then declare bankruptcy to keep the money. To the rest of the world, that's called "embezzlement."

[–] [email protected] 16 points 14 hours ago

Don't forget the inflate the value of your assets so you can borrow even more money, but declare them as a lesser value on your taxes.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'm up in the middle of nowhere Ontario in the north surrounded mostly by trees and lakes and not even remotely close to anything American .... but yet I still have a few friends and family who love your dumb orange beanbag president.

I don't understand the pull that this idiot has on people or the millionaires and billionaires that pour their money into him for some god forsaken reason.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 14 hours ago

It is actually perfectly simple.

Mr. Trump gives people easy answers to extremely complex problems, the fact that he is rich means that people just assume he is right about it.

People want easy answers that don't blame them, Trump has perfected the style of of talking where he is ambiguous enough that people fill in the blanks themselves.

It is classic fascism speech.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

Why does this say 25 per cent instead of 25 percent?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago

It means you pay 2500 on the dollar. Get tariffed bitch

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Now that is a leader! His comments underline the senselessness of these tariffs:

“If President Trump wants to usher in a new ‘golden age’ for the United States, the better path is to partner with Canada not to punish us. Canada has the ingredients necessary to build a booming and secure partnership for the North American economy and we stand at the ready to work together.”

“We will stand strong for Canada. We will stand strong to ensure our countries continue to be the best neighbours in the world.”

How could you not ask for a better friend even when you're (US) being an asshole?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if people voted for drump because he's like Homer Simpson (except he's not loyal to his wife)

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[–] [email protected] 132 points 18 hours ago (19 children)

The Trump administration says it put the tariffs in place to force China, Mexico and Canada to stop the spread and manufacturing of fentanyl, in addition to pressuring Canada and Mexico to limit any illegal immigration into the United States.

Can anyone else see any actual logic to this? Do the Trump Republicans really believe this, or are they just saying it? What do they really want to achieve, apart from Trump being able to see himself as a tough guy?

[–] [email protected] 116 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

There's no logic to it at all. It's absolutely not about that.

Almost no fentanyl is getting into the US from Canada. A vanishingly small amount of illegal immigration occurs through the Canadian border.

It's just fascism and imperialism.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 15 hours ago

The majority of fentanyl being smuggled into America is being smuggled in by American citizens. It's not like cocaine or cannabis. You can smuggle a huge amount of fentanyl in a tiny bottle. Why risk sending it with an undocumented person?

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (9 children)

Saw a policy expert say it's a mixture of 3 things really:

  1. Trump likes to blame outsiders for problems and this is well received by his loyal base and gives off strongman vibes
  2. long term plan to switch from income tax (scales the more you earn) to consumption taxes (the poorer you are the more you pay for for consumption, relatively speaking) which benefits the rich at the expense of the poor. this wealth transfer is easier to sell when the populace is focused on outsiders
  3. Trump doesn't understand basic economics

source: https://youtu.be/2I1L1fXaYDs

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Lol on the switch from income tax. I haven't heard a peep about that since before the election. Everything is just going to cost more now and I'm still going to be paying income taxes.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 15 hours ago

They absolutely want to implement a national sales tax. They've been talking about it for a very long time and now they have the power to do it. And it's very much a "fuck the poor" policy.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn’t a subsidy or tax incentive for things produced domestically be a more beneficial way to combat tariffs?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

How so? These would increase demand for things produced in Canada, not really harm America. These are retaliatory tariffs, so the latter is the point here.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but for things that are made in both Canada and the US, if you increase demand for the version made in Canada, your country benefits, while hurting the US, since less is sold, so less money earned. Citizens are the ones paying tariffs anyway

[–] [email protected] 22 points 12 hours ago

It also hurts every other exporter instead of just USA, so it's pissing everyone off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

One problem is that a lot of manufacturing has left Canada. So, with an increase in demand for Canadian products, it would take a while to ramp up production. Most likely what will happen is that we would just import more from other countries (most likely China). And, then, much like what happened after the government injected cash into the economy during the pandemic, we'll suffer more inflation than what is healthy for Canada.

If we had the manufacturing capacity to be self sufficient (oil refinement and gasoline production is a big one that we let USA do), then your idea might work.

However, I don't think that Canada's purchasing power (on an individual consumer level) is strong enough to put a dent into USA manufacturing sales... Our population is only approx 1/10th that of the USA.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

This is what we get now that prats are running the US economy on adolescent IQs and emotions.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 18 hours ago

The "women are too emotional to be leaders" crowd are running the show with the mentality of a grade school bully

[–] [email protected] 53 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

As an American, I don't see a choice. This is a trade war, shots were fired. I hope it's a short war.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 16 hours ago

Tat, meet Tit.

I order a decent amount of coffee from Canada and am pretty miffed about this on a personal level not to mention a philosophical one.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Begun, the Bullshit Wars have.

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