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while it seems everyone else says 'happy christmas'

which imo is a way better phrase, it's very ... pragmatic. happiness is more attainable than merriment. how often is anyone merry?

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Merry Christmas is a popular expression in the UK too.

I think that merriment is actually much easier to attain than happiness. One could be miserable in life, but have a few drinks and be merry.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago

Is it wrong for me to say that the pessimism with a side of alcohol is the most British you could possibly describe being merry?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Personally, merry Christmas just sounds better than happy Christmas. Something about the repeated "m" sound, I think.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's called euphonics, and I agree

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It was bad when Hitler did it and I’m not going to suddenly start agreeing with it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

It's Christmas! Let the guy do a little euphonics if it makes him happy.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Who is "everyone else" in this story?

The only place I know that days Happy Christmas is the UK

In Australia, it's merry

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'm from the UK, and I've always said merry.

I doubt it's any more prevalent in a specific country and more likely specific to individual families and friends.

For example, i always thought it was an american thing to say happy christmas.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Definitely not an American thing. It's ALL Merry over here.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Either way, happy and merry Christmas to you :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Happy Merry to you too!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

In the US, it's incredibly rare if not impossible to find someone who says "Happy Christmas." It's either "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays."

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

The song goes “We wish you a merry Christmas”, so that’ll always be there for as long as the song is popular.

Plus (also because of the song, I assume), you say “merry Christmas and a happy new year”, not “happy Christmas and a happy new year”. Too much happy there.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (12 children)

In my country we say "Have a good Yule".

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Yule see, yule all see!

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

Insofar as there's a distinction between the two, I feel like you've got it switched. Merriment would be a night out with drinks and friends, whereas deep happiness would be more like contentedness with your life choices. But they're about the same. Plus "A Christmas Carol" uses Merry, and it's like the ultimate Christmas story.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Tradition, mostly.

Dickens used Merry Christmas in his Christmas Carol and the US used the greeting since the 19th century.

In the UK however, happy christmas is more common as the royals used that phrase.

There’s apparently no big thing behind it. Just the way language evolved with different influences in different regions.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

am from uk. merry christmas is very much the common phrase here by a long shot

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Agreed - it's merry christmas and happy new year.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Around here we wish you a homosexual Christmas

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

AKA: make the yule time gay.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Merry Christmas" is pretty much the only context I see my fellow Americans use the word "Merry" other than deliberately trying to sound upper class British.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (9 children)

We like to brag about our ability to still pronounce the R sound.

Similar to why Brits say Happy Christmas, honestly.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Canada says Merry Christmas even though we usually do British spelling and measurements.

Also, the north pole is either in Canada or Russia (not going to look it up) so we are probably correct.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

The only people I've personally known who exclusively say "Happy Christmas" are Irish. Are you Irish, OP?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I think Merry Christmas is a harken to antiquated dialect, much like other religious phrases. Thou shalt not kill or Thy will be done or extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Happy Chrimbo

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Merry also means drunk - at least in common British English.
Therefore it is quite an easy state to attain either from the offy, or a few pubs tat are also open for a few hours in the afternoon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

UK here... Merry Christmas, yes. Happy Christmas, yes. Happy Holidays, no, no, no and just for effect no.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What if you don't intend to see someone before New Year's and want to wish them a happy New Year as well, while being lazy?

I really don't get this hatred for "Happy Holidays", because even if you want to discredit the non Christian holidays in December/January, there are still two...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

I think some people (usually right wing Americans who watched too much Fox News back in the 2000s) are opposed to "happy holidays" because they don't want to acknowledge other religions.

And then there are snobby Europeans who hate and avoid the phrase because it sounds "too American".

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The vast majority of Americans don't even know that 'merriment' is a word. They just know you're supposed to say 'Merry Christmas.' That's it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

AND IF YOU DONT SAY IT YOUR WOKE RAAAA

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The great irony there being "happy holidays" is from the Old English (language, not malt liquor) for "happy holy days."

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Automatic response. Nobody that I am close with is actually happy (or even fine), but when staff asks you in greeting if you're having a good day and did you find everything okay, you know they are bullshitting the "I'm doing well, and yes, thanks". Same sort of automatic bullshit response.

We are living paycheck to paycheck (some not even that), with slowly rising levels of debt, in dead-end jobs while the earth slowly boils us and rich fucks get richer. In tight-knit circles, suicide is often discussed openly and often, and death is welcomed. My best friend recently told me that (if they die before me, as if lol) when I attend the funeral, if anyone suggests that they had a happy life, I am to punch that person in the face, without hesitation.

Life is pain. But it's so much quicker to fake that your existence isn't hell, so lying to people in ways that doesn't matter is way easier.

Happy holidays.

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