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[...] Many users are complaining of hallucinated artists' stats, songs they've never heard appearing in most listened lists, and more. Some users aren't happy with the way that Spotify Wrapped looked this year, complaining that it was boring, and not as creative as previous years. [...]

One of the most common complaints seems to be that Spotify Wrapped has misreported on the stats in claims to represent. Now, while this has happened in previous years, this year it seems to be a whole lot more prevalent — as you can see in this Spotify support thread. It's filled with users complaining about top artists they've never listened to, songs appearing in at the top of their lists that they didn't even know existed, or a mixture of the two.

Just anecdotally talking with people outside the internet-o-sphere and you'll quickly find people with iffy Spotify Wrapped statistics. I have friends who listen exclusively to bizarre, underground punk acts, and their Wrappeds were topped by the likes of The Weeknd and Taylor Swift. Even on the Tom's Guide team, we've seen strangeness — our own Millie Fender discovered Swift among her top artists, yet her songs didn't appear in her top 100.

Just read people's reactions online, especially in the trending topic on X or even the announcement thread on Reddit. Many are blaming Spotify's pivot to AI this year for the lack of personality, and some even hold it responsible for their weird Spotify statistics. I have reached out to Spotify for comment, but I am yet to hear a response.

What can we do?

First off, there are other streaming platforms with year-end roundups. Deezer, for example, has unleashed My Deezer Year, and like everything the French streamer does, it's filled with creativity and personality. That's a streaming service with better sound quality too. Apple Music has its Replay feature, which similarly takes you through your year. There are options.

If you're duty-bound to Spotify, then there is a way to really check your most-listened-to artists, songs, and genres — Track your listening with Last.FM, for example, which gives you breakdowns over the course of the year. Whatever happens, I (and many others) are hoping that Spotify Wrapped is a whole lot better next year.

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Why this even calls for generative AI is beyond me. Just post my top 5 artists and top 5 songs. It's data already available.

Mine said my top artist is Hozier, driving my Goblincore Fantasy Forest phase. I couldn't name a Hozier song since Take Me To Church, a song that falls into Nickelback territory for me, as in sellouts that get way too much playtime. And no idea how that turned into goblins and fantasy forests.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

If you're a corpo, not integrating generative AI somewhere is seen as a misstep. Shareholders want to know that their money is being used on the cutting edge.

Of course, both groups are clueless as to where generative AI may actually be useful. But ultimately it doesn't matter.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Only the podcast style overview is ai generated. Since the two voice are not from real human

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Goblincore Fantasy Forest, definitely a real human genre.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not seeing that Hozier criticism tbh but agree spotify sucks

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

I heard that Spotify fired the guy who invented the original Spotify algorithm for everything from wrapped to the discover playlists. I'll look to see if I can find link and update.

Edit: not sure if is what I read originally https://blog.tunemymusic.com/spotify-wrapped-2024-bad-users-complain/

But I remember the quote

“Everyone noticing that Spotify wrapped is weak this year should remember that Spotify fired the main dude who created the algorithm for them about a year ago (for no reason) and he was also the mastermind between all the genre related data that essentially keeps the place running.

“Enshitification at its finest folks.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Hopefully tidal hires him.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

He apparently made both of these sites I found every noise interesting

https://furia.com/

https://everynoise.com/#updates

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well both of those are damn cool, thank you for the links!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They fired the whole wrapped team and replaced them with some AI nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

I hope Spotify gets all they deserve from that decision.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unless Spotify drastically changed their backend it doesn't make sense why firing one person will make algorithms stop working

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

What's so hard about tracking which song has been played how often or even for how long? I can't imagine how you can fuck this up so badly

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

congratulations on being in the 0.001% of all listeners worldw

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago

Dropped Spotify after the CEO said artists music weren’t worth anything and raised their annual fee at the same time. Trash company

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

hallucinated

It is just fucking wrong. AI isn't a living thing that is comparable to a person or animal, or even a plant. It is wrong a lot and that is because it has no motivation or reality or anything like that. It is pattern matching that is not reliable for factual results, and sometimes the results are just wrong.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Good callout. We shouldn't attribute intent, experience, or any other human characteristics, to software.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Switched to Napster this year. Best artist payout.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How old is this? Why is play music here?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

Easily 5+ years old. This exact image was posted on Reddit three years ago. GPM shutdown in 2020. I can't find the original page on Digital Music News for this image (source text)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

To be clear, no streaming company is paying royalties on a per-stream basis, it's basically always ((total revenue-platform cut)/share of total amount of streams).

So the artists are not really getting more money because you're streaming on one platform or the other, they are all getting roughly the same amount out of what you're paying on a monthly basis.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can't report the same problem. Mine looked very sane for my listening habits.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Same. Last.fm also agreed with what Spotify told me.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I only stick with spotify because it has the best support on linux

Can any linux users can share their experience with other platforms?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Bandcamp? works good in a browser and supports artists the most

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I think Bandcamp is the only platform where I have actually purchased music in the past decade. It seems like a decent model, and I like getting FLAC versions of a physical album I get.

Recently got the newest Godspeed You! Black Emperor album off Bandcamp. Great shit as always.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Tidal has no official Linux app, which is shocking considering their demographic. But a hero has made an app that gets pretty close. Under the hood it's the web client with some add-ons to support full quality streaming. The user experience is generally fairly close to an official app.

I used soundiiz to convert all my content over, and of probably over 10,000 songs there were less than 100 unavailable, so library isn't a concern. The increased quality is nice, but the big reason I choose tidal is that instead of doing unnecessary stuff like podcasts they pay artists better. As much as 3X according to some things I've read. I have not verified those numbers.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

i listened to the new eminem album once and it said he was my #2 artist. i had a day where i listened to nothing but aphex twin and he wasn't on the list. busted for sure.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Is there a good way to sync listening history between platforms? That seems to be a big reason why people have a hard time jumping around between platforms

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It doesn’t sync between services, but last.fm can be your tracking source and connects to both Spotify (when I had it.. assuming still true) and Tidal (ways to track Bandcamp and other streaming too).

I have to wait for the full calendar year to pass in last.fm, but I get more interesting stats than what I remember from wrapped.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Last.fm is really great for tracking, it's been around for forever too, no idea why it isn't more popular.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately they walled garden themselves pretty universally. I've been on Tidal since Spotify fired all those people and have been really enjoying it.

Maybe I'm crazy but I feel like their recommended music is also way better.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

You mean the corporation you gave boatloads of personal data to is manipulating it to use against you in the pursuit of profit?! [surprised pikachu.jpg]

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My Wrapped was way different this year from last year. I listen to music all day every day. I have a 24-hour playlist for every day of the week, Spotify says I listened to 326,614 minutes this year. These playlists are all different. Monday is 70s R&B Motown, Tuesday is Rock/Punk/Grunge, Wednesday is Rocksteady/Two Tone/3rd wave Ska, Thursday is Classical, Friday is Hip Hop, Saturday is Country, and Sunday is Jazz.

Last year my Wrapped had a wide range of artists and genres that represented the wide range of music I listen to. This year it was just Reggae and Ska. I had only two top artists that were not, the Rolling Stones and Glenn Miller. The Rolling Stones I can see but Glenn Miller is not even that prevalent in my Jazz playlist.

I don't know if it's all fucked up but I do know it's miles different than what it gave me for the same playlists and similar listening time last year.

Edit: I fucked up Monday.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My favorite song of the year was something I apparently listened to twice. My favorite artist is some duo that I spent seven minutes listening to. I definitely listened to something else more than that.

But it did know I listened to a lot of Behind the Bastards. It got the podcasts right.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

I was disappointed in the graphics, but my stats seemed right. The slide for my top podcasts had black text on a black background, but luckily all my top 5 podcasts have their name on their logo. Still looks kinda stupid though.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

It looked wrong when I first clicked it, but then sort of restarted and corrected itself, almost like it started with the wrong data cached.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Your top song was $songThatIReallyListenedToAFewTimes. You had a streak of two days listening to it and your play count was 4.

Ok, the genre is right. The band is a band I know and sometimes listen to, but I dislike their newer songs (which the above is an example of). The start might be right, but it's definitely not my top listened song 2024

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Listen to the podcast. It's... Awful. The AI voices trying to do radio show-style things like spelling out some letters of words or enunciating oddly is a whole level of cringe. Plus my podcast was full of hallucinations. Very obviously saying one of my top songs was by a different one of my top artists.

My wrapped stats weren't super off, but they were off. Clearly some artists they favor or punish in rankings. Whether thats intentional, buggy code, or hallucination, eh, who knows.

Either way, it was a reminder that ive been wanting to switch to tidal for a while. The day list used to be really good, too, but it has had a noticeable drop in quality since the last round of layoffs, and it shows a lot more evidence of being AI-based rather than algorithm-based.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Switched to Qobuz earlier this year. It has a few issues, but at least it doesn't have all this absolutely dumb shit that Spotify has. What an improvement.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

And they let you buy the music outright, too!

Recently quit youtube premium due to the price hike finally hitting my country. I've been using yt music for my listening.

Since that went away along with yt premium, I dusted off my old music file collection (mix of itunes and bandcamp purchases, cd rips, and soundcloud downloads).

Discovered Qobus looking for places to buy my favorite music to update my collection.

I used to keep my entire collection on my phone, but I opted to start using ytm since I had it and my collection got too big...

But now, I have to say I am blown away with how nice Symfonium+Jellyfin (or another music server) is to use!

Last time I looked into it, nothing handled dynamically keeping a portion of your music on-device for offline play this well!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I just want unlimited audiobook listening this 15 hours thing is bullshit. I nearly dropped spotify the second I got that notification out of spite.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

But you didn't drop them and therefore told them via your spending/usage that you're ok with this 15 hour thing (i don't use spotify so i don't know what that is)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I use a self hosted playback tracker.

The top 3 were matching for self hosted and Spotify, but the last two in the top 5 were completely different. No matter which way I sorted it (time vs plays), the self hosted tracker was correct.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

It definitely sucked this year. The stats were just boring and not as extensive. One thing I found weird was that after watching my wrapped, I got an alert to check out my stats. But the alert gave me a stat that was interesting, but it wasn’t included in my wrapped. It’s almost like Spotify forgot to include all the stats in the wrapped that it meant to.

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