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This is a genuine question.

I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

P.S. this topic is highly controversial and I want actual opinions so let's be civil.

And if you're a mod, delete this if the post is inappropriate or if it gets too heated.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean... If not for the fact that a felon is about to become President again, I would want some form of justice in the law for the assassin. A slap on the wrist, maybe. A few years in jail; definitely not life or a death sentence.

But that's just to enforce the rule of law to not embolden others to commit such crimes, even if they could easily be justified. Since that's not being enforced with an even bigger threat to the rule of law, fuck it. Shit doesn't matter anymore anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, but only if there is an actual jury of his peers to pass judgement on him.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Jury nullification. If you're called for jury duty, DO NOT LET THEM KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS WHEN INTERVIEWING.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

I wouldn't ally myself with some random anon, especially not one with a history of violence, but I'm also not actively seeking his arrest. He's the cops' problem and I'm not helping.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yes. Jury nullification is my right.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

From a rule of law perspective the shooter needs to be punished.

But considering the amount of suffering that CEO and other senior leaders at that company have inflicted on innocent sick people, there's a big fat dose of karma that goes with this incident, . And I wouldn't throw the book at the shooter (although you know they will).

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If I was in the jury I could be persuaded to push for jury nullification.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If he gets caught (hope he doesn’t), I hope he gets prosecuted, pleads self defense, and wins.

Because let’s be honest, this is 100% a case of community self defense.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, but I hope someone makes him a cool cape or something of the sorts.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

With "The Adjuster" embroidered across the back

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If they ever set up a GoFundMe to set up a memorial statue of the killer, just give a shout.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

Nah he was defending himself against highway robbery.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

I'd say it will be nearly impossible to get an objective jury that also represents the defendants peers.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

I am under the belief that there was no murder and he had a preexisting condition of lead poisoning. As such, we unfortunately do not cover these kinds of conditions in our penal system and his claim must be denied.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

To maybe help your pessimistic side:

Even when the murderer gets convicted, that CEO will still remain dead.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

If he's found, the jury should nullify. It's their right as US citizens.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

When we prosecute all the avoidable deaths by Insurance Companies in pursuit of greed.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How do we get him to do it again?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yes, of course. Then face a jury. And hopefully go free via jury nullification.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

For the social agreement society has, it's irrelevant if you think this person is a hero or a villain, they need to be tried by a jury of their peers in a court of law.

If they are not, then the social agreement that we don't go around murdering people, no matter the intent changes and life becomes very difficult.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Prosecution is required since otherwise it would set a precedent for revenge killings, but holy shit even serial killers did less harm than this one person

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

What murderer? He fell on lead because he was high on prescription drugs.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Yes. He murdered someone. Will I curl up in a ball and cry for hours if he's never caught? Not so much.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The repeated mention of "jury nullification" here is a cop-out.

Jury nullification is essentially an admission that the law itself is conditionally unjust and the popular belief is that it should be ignored this time, nullified. So why pretend the legal system is always valid in the first place? I do not see the legal system as fair or representative of the people; if it was, this assassination wouldn't have ever happened. The laws are made by politicians and the politicians represent the owner class, those with enough money to purchase politics.

If you don't want to see the assassin prosecuted, if you too "didn't see anything", then why insist "murder is murder" when you clearly think this one doesn't deserve equal treatment? It's utopian idealism, the kind of rule that holds true in an ignorant vacuum experiment but not in this unfair rigged game of a world.

The appropriate sentence for this crime is: "Keep up the important work."

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

Absolutely NOT LOL

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

If I was on the jury it would be a not guilty from me

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