I'm not sure I even understand the question. How does manipulation make you "right"? You might be perceived as being right but that obviously doesn't mean you ARE right.
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I believe they meant “right wing”, not “right” as in “correct”
"If you believe murder is wrong because society told you murder is wrong, is murder really wrong?"
Hitler got many people to believe that murder is right when it's done to specific people. Did that make it right? Of course not.
I think every nation offers that argument, not just Hitler.
Exactly.
If you had evidence that you are a victim of manipulation, it shakes your certainty.
Shouldn't it?
But like
There are Truths, There are lies.
A truth is still the truth even if a majority believes in that.
A lie is still a lie even if a majority believes in that.
When you learn something, you independenly think about it using logics to ascertain its truthfulness.
Of course, humans can only experience reality subjectively, there's no guarantee you always find the truth.
Like the idea of "Killing people is bad"
Why?
Well I don't want that happening to me.
If I kill someone, someone else could see me doing that and their relatives could seek revenge.
If I get away with killing without consequences, then others will also think its okay, which would make it normal to kill people, which increase the likelihood me being the victim of a killing.
Therefore. Killing is bad.
Like that. You think using logic to decide for yourself if you should believe in something.
So you manipulate people so that they should believe you. And if it works, they think you are right. Now you ask if you are really right?
No, you are not. You are laughable.
Nah if you tricked people into getting vaccines you'd be right because getting vaccines is still the right choice.
To OP: how you convince people of a fact doesn't change that fact, you can manipulate people to believe a lie as much as a truth. The latter is what democrats need to do to win against Trump for instance, lie and cheat and disparage the opposition at every opportunity, call them all molestors, party of Epstein island etc etc and just fool people into believing the right thing just like trump, putin etc. fool people into believing the wrong thing.
No. The earth doesn't get flat no matter how much people you get to believe it. As for opinions, they're still just opinions. There's no right and wrong opinion.
If you describe an opinion as right or wrong, you are talking about the opinion's relation to reality. And opinions certainly do have such relation.
No, whether or not you like the colour blue does not matter to reality. Whether you consider it blue is, but that is not an opinion.
opinions aren't fact. They're just a subjective bit of meaning you've got in your head, and only in your head.
Bob makes a precise observation and thus concludes that the earth is round.
Rob is told that the earth is round, in school, and thus concludes that the earth is round.
Are they both right?
Jerry was home schooled by his uncle, and has been told the earth is flat, and concluded the earth is flat.
Jerry is wrong. When Jerry tells his friends the earth is flat, he is not lying. Just wrong. When Bob says the earth is flat, he is lying. Knowing full well it is round.
Jane was taught that the earth is stretched a little bit because of the centrifugal force of it's spinning.
Jane is also right.
Bob and Jane had a conversation about the shape, and experienced a thing called nuance. It's not perfectly round after all.
Your question makes no sense if you put yourself at the receiving end of the manipulation.
In other words:
The one who tells thing can be right (or wrong). The one who is told things does not have that question.
Yes. If, back when people believed incorrectly the earth was flat, someone played a joke on Cob and told him the earth was really round and he believed it, he's correct too. Even though someone manipulated him into believing something they themselves didn't believe.
No, but you propagate, like a virus.
A virus would. But a man should be certain that he's propagating truth, surely.
It's impossible to be certain though, you can only achieve degrees of certainty.