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[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

Bob makes a precise observation and thus concludes that the earth is round.

Rob is told that the earth is round, in school, and thus concludes that the earth is round.

Are they both right?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Jerry was home schooled by his uncle, and has been told the earth is flat, and concluded the earth is flat.

Jerry is wrong. When Jerry tells his friends the earth is flat, he is not lying. Just wrong. When Bob says the earth is flat, he is lying. Knowing full well it is round.

Jane was taught that the earth is stretched a little bit because of the centrifugal force of it's spinning.

Jane is also right.

Bob and Jane had a conversation about the shape, and experienced a thing called nuance. It's not perfectly round after all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Your question makes no sense if you put yourself at the receiving end of the manipulation.

In other words:

The one who tells thing can be right (or wrong). The one who is told things does not have that question.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Yes. If, back when people believed incorrectly the earth was flat, someone played a joke on Cob and told him the earth was really round and he believed it, he's correct too. Even though someone manipulated him into believing something they themselves didn't believe.