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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

The only stories about this I’ve seen on Lemmy take a very pro-Israel perspective. Have the Israelis started doing to Lemmy what they’ve done to Reddit?

NBC’s coverage, as an alternative, says this immediately after it’s opening statement:

Videos circulating on social media showed violence in the city’s streets, with one video geolocated by NBC News to near Amsterdam's central station appearing to show people chasing others and physically assaulting them. Separate video geolocated by NBC News showed Maccabi Tel Aviv fans in Amsterdam singing “Death to the Arabs” and “Let the IDF win. We will f*** the Arabs,” as well as tearing down a Palestinian flag.

…which clarifies that the attack was the people of Europe showing that unlike their governments, they do not tolerate genocidal apartheid supporters.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago) (1 children)

The woman quoted by NBC on twitter literally states the video is of Israeli supporters beating up someone.

NBC and Reuters somehow spin this into Israelis being attacked.

This is absolute insanity.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, even NBC’s headline isn’t great. But at least it doesn’t open with bogus “antisemitism” wording.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

LOL, there is no other perspective.

Israel warned Dutch authorities days prior because of what they had seen on social media. Dutch police warned Israeli fans to avoid taxis because they knew the taxi drivers were coordinating an attack. There are now screen grabs starting to circulate of text exchanges in taxi driver chat groups talking about how to avoid police and hanging up Palestinian flags to incite a response. This was a planned, coordinated pogrom. Fans were beaten unconscious, run over by cars, and chased into the canal to escape, with the mob screaming, "Say free Palestine and we'll leave." https://x.com/stop_jew_hate/status/1854881566553411612

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 minutes ago* (last edited 12 minutes ago)

You need to read some general media sources that aren’t part of your ethnocultural nationalist colonialist bubble.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Gonna have to see those videos

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Hopefully, the European powers that be will start realizing that Israel isn't a part of us and we don't want that Zionist hatred on our streets. Maybe leave it in Israel next time and behave in a civilized manner. Honestly, i don't want to see football with them or Eurovision with them either.

I'd be ashamed every day if i had to wake up as an Israeli. What a disgrace of a people. Judaism will always have a place in modern Europe but anti Palestinian sentiment does not and i wonder how much longer until both the powers that be and the international community at large realizes European leadership and the European people are not of the same mind when it comes to Israel.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

They shouldn't even be allowed to travel to Europe for their genocide support.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 hours ago

I feel soooo bad for a bunch of genocide supporters /s

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 hours ago

What an utter disgrace. Such barbaric behaviour has no place in a civilized society.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

They literally ran through the streets ripping and burning Palestinian flags and shouting pro genocide chants one day ago. They’re scum.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

The Israel supporters also beat up a cab driver.

An Arab taxi driver was also attacked by mobs who appeared to be with the Israeli fans, although police said they couldn't identify the nationality of the attackers as no arrests were made.

A group of Israeli fans gathered in the Dam Square on Wednesday were filmed sparking confrontations with locals, shouting “Fuck you” at some of them and “Fuck you Palestine”.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 hours ago

The also refused to participate in a minute of silence before kick-off for at least 200 people who died in the Valencia floods.

If anyone wants to know what kind of people they are, this shows it. They believe themselves superior to anyone and they extend empathy to no one.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 hours ago

Absolutely this. I saw the videos first and read newspaper articles later. Nowhere in the articles did they mention the chants and the ripping off of flags, I saw both in those videos. It’s crazy how even violent hooligans are now portrayed as victims just because it fits the narrative.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yes I've not had good experiences with Israeli sports fans, they take it much too seriously.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think that's football fans in general to be honest.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

These were basketball fans, and for a completely unimportant match. It was quite incongruous with the atmosphere in the venue and the attitude of the other team's fans. Very weird!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Such people aren't fans of the sport, they go primarilly to cause trouble in a group.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I believe you, but i can't find anything on that. All the searches just refer to the violence in this story

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1854701760385872270

No news outlet is going to report on that but there are videos of the racist and pro genocide chants. Amsterdam has a large Palestinian community in which many people have family members that were murdered by those IDF pigs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It keeps baffling me how Dutch media is even more biased towards *srael than *sraeli media. But it’s probably because Dutch people would actually be shocked to read it while most *sraeli’s probably support the racism.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Definitely quite a bit of hooligans, not an excuse for violence imo

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 hours ago

fighting back against hooligans who pillage and rampage through the streets is not justified?

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

A 30-year-old Maccabi Tel Aviv fan describes the moments of horror: "I finished a four-month reserve in Gaza, and what I experienced here is no less scary. There is a war out here. They ran over me and pulled a knife on me. I am slightly injured, but I am not ready to receive treatment here, only in Israel. We were ambushed. I'm in the market. I saw with my own eyes children who were caught in explosions. They are everywhere. No police, complete chaos. Everything was pre-planned. The police here abandoned us. Every fourth person walking the street is a Muslim who has come to attack Jews. Me and several hundred other fans are surrounded in the hotel, the police don't allow us to leave. They just want to fly home."

Wonder what he did in those 4 months. I bet you it was a lot worse than what he got here.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 hours ago

You reap what you fucking sow.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago

It was probably scarier because there he was just bombing people with drones and airstrikes and from within tanks and this time he actually was just by himself with no giant guns around

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 hours ago

Sounds like he was in the IDF. Captain Hyperbole

[–] [email protected] 45 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

There was a time when I would've sympathized with and supported the Israelis.

But that was 40,000 murders ago.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Like, why the fuck are they still inviting their football teams to play?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

And why the fuck are they in the Europa league? Last I checked Israel was nowhere near Europe. Aren't they Semitic and from the Middle East? At least they love to use that definition when they shout "antisemitism" at anyone who criticises them. And why are they in the European Song Contest? Anyway, no sympathy. They clearly like violence so let them have it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The Eurovision has plenty of non-European members (Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Georgia, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Turkey).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

This is legit the first time I've heard of Cyprus not being European

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

And why the fuck are they in the Europa league

Because it wouldn't be safe for the Israeli teams to play against teams from all the neighboring nations that rightfully despise the actions of their government.

They could stop murdering innocent people all the time, but losing to European teams instead of ones from the middle east is easier and more profitable.

And why are they in the European Song Contest?

In a word? Corruption. In two words: BLATANT corruption.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Become a good neighbor? Nah, I'll go play with my friends in another neighborhood and be an ass to them as well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

EXACTLY. I don't know if the people downvoting me are salty Zionists or confused fellow anti-zionists lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Well, looks like it's not safe for them to play against European teams now too. What a shame.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

On the one hand, innocent athletes and fans shouldn't be punished for the actions of the government.

On the other hand, though, odds are that almost all of them support the atrocities or have actively contributed to them up to and including murdering, raping, and torturing innocent civilians. So fuck em.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 hours ago

Thoughts and prayers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

Only a small portion of the kind of welcome Israelis deserve everywhere they go.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Why is there so much nationalism at a club match...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

There is a specific kind of person that is able to go see a team playing so far away, and that kind usually is also nationalistic as fuck. Some exceptions of course, but the vast majority will always be POS's

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

I always thought sports fans could do lots of dumb shit

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 hours ago

antisemitism