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Vote for the change you want to see.

The Republican party got remade because trumpists showed up and outvoted the party elites. No reason it can't happen for the Left except for laziness and apathy.

If all the progressives furious about the state of affairs now had shown up for Sanders in 2016, I doubt we'd be in this hellish timeline. Sadly, he needed the young progressive vote to show up.

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 6 days ago (49 children)

Bernie was doing well in 2016 until the DNC kneecapped him.

Get money out elections if you want change, but neither party is willing to. The oligarchy works for itself

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago (16 children)

remind me, what Primary did I get to vote in to pick against Harris?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago

That super cool one with Dean Philips and Marianne Williamson. But frankly there wasn't really a ready pool of willing candidates, and there still isn't.

The very public V.P. courtship process was sort of the de facto primary we got. Or the closest thing to it.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You would vote in the Republic primaries...
Don't try to stretch the Overton window. You need to move the right side of the window left.

This is how black people in the south managed the Democratic party; by voting for the least racist Democrats in the primaries, no matter who won the general election they were better off.

It's basically ad hoc ranked choice and it prevents extremist candidates from winning.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

This is how black people in the south managed the Democratic party; by voting for the least racist Democrats in the primaries

The black voter enjoyed a heavy Republican bias for nearly a century, and suffered much of the same treatment (GOP treated them as a captured constituency, Dixiecrats suppressed their turnout with fraud, incarceration, and terrorism).

By Kennedy, the northern Dems were embracing civil rights not as an electoral strategy but a labor organizing strategy. The vote was largely split, with black voters biasing by party in individual regions rather than as a national block.

It wasn't into Clinton - when Southern Strategy Repubs had fully purged their party of black voters - that the trend was fully reversed. That wasn't a decision by the NAACP or the median black voter. It was a Nixonian gambit. Black voters were viewed as a handicap. Appealing to fascism was how you obtained a majority in American politics.

Reagan, the Bushs, and then Trump seemed to further this theory. You'll get two white voters for every black voter you lose, by being the most racist candidate in the ticket.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Not the best argument in 2024 given the circumstance but yes, in 2020, the "we need someone to beat Trump" crowd scoffed on the idea of Warren (my pick) or Bernie. But with the current system it kind of makes less sense too since Biden mostly won support in states he had no shot winning, so by the time it was even CAs turn there was no hope.

At least in 2008 I felt like it worked. Obama was a thousand times better than Clinton.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

What Democratic primaries?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (14 children)

In case you're unaware, there were tons of them around the nation. There wasn't one for the president this time, but there were still plenty of primaries that were very influential. Your local officials have more impact on you than the president does.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You underestimate the power of whining online.

MAGA is the result of decades of talk radio and pseudo-journalism aimed at curating a very specific way of seeing the world.

They refined a narrative that was persuasive, easy to upload into people, consistent in how it framed emergent issues, and instilled a sense of urgency that encouraged its adherents to spread the gospel and get politically active.

Obviously, we need to vote. But if you think victory is getting a Bernie 2.0 to 51% in a primary, you’re gonna be sorely disappointed by the general. It needs to be a slam dunk. We need a cultural win before we can have an electoral win.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

That cultural win gets won from the bottom up, the people need to vote politicians like AOC and Bernie into every seat that comes up for election in every layer of government and push every neoliberal incumbent out. From local school board elections to the senate. That means that people need to show up and vote in every primary and election and not wait for the big one once every four years. The left wing of the party needs to put more focus and money in these smaller elections and put actual leftists or progressives candidates on those local ballots. That’s how the Tea Party and Maga republicans gained power inside the GOP.

I bet many of the Bernie voters have never voted in a local election in the years prior to that primary.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

Yeah, it's boring and hard. That's just life. Now get out and vote or get used to living in a christofascist hell.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago

Promote NPVIC and RCV in your state.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But... but... but that would mean... making an actual effort! Playing the long game! BO-RING!!!
bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

America would be a better place if people realised politics happens 24/7 and not once every 4 years.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

Because in people's mind, politic is purely about backstabbing and rich people party, and not about governing and policy making.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

As a leftist who's been voting in Democratic primaries for the last 24 years: Outside of some extreme enclaves in major cities there aren't enough of us to make a difference that way.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Look up Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority.

Jerry made the Evangelicals a huge power in the GOP by simply having his people show up at every single GOP organizing meeting.

If twenty people had picked the nominee for dog catcher last term, the Moral Majority would show up with 50. Those county clerks and sheriffs were soon followed by Mayors and Governors and Congress members...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Now that's a smart strategy, we need to get organized on this level.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

I don't think anyone is mad about this idea

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Electoral politics won't work in favour of leftist goals. The system is rigged from the start.

Best you can do is vote for a lesser evil.

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