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cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/22423685

EDIT: For those who are too lazy to click the link, this is what it says

Hello,

Sad news for everyone. YouTube/Google has patched the latest workaround that we had in order to restore the video playback functionality.

Right now we have no other solutions/fixes. You may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home) but on datacenter IP addresses Invidious won't work anymore.

If you are interested to install Invidious at home, we remind you that we have a guide for that here: https://docs.invidious.io/installation/..

This is not the death of this project. We will still try to find new solutions, but this might take time, months probably.

I have updated the public instance list in order to reflect on the working public instances: https://instances.invidious.io. Please don't abuse them since the number is really low.

Feel free to discuss this politely on Matrix or IRC.

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[–] [email protected] 195 points 1 month ago (11 children)

i absolutely despise youtube. these fuckers are putting ads on paused videos now, and then this.

they will never get better. only worse. we need regulations badly.

[–] [email protected] 149 points 1 month ago (3 children)

We need a competitor badly.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Peertube/Odysee exist, even if they are relatively niche.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Competitor with no content, users is not a competitor. Youtube should be forced to share content they do not own. Just for the sake of competition.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The content isn't the problem. It's the delivery system. No one else has the storage and network capacity that Youtube has. And as a result of that, no one else has the built-in audience Youtube has. Putting your videos on YT is simply the best way to get views.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Whatever happened to dailymotion?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Paying Nebula subscriber here 🙋‍♂️

Pony up or your call for a competitor doesn’t mean anything. People don’t want ads? Fine. There has to be another revenue stream. Server capacity costs money, making a website and app cost money, and video creators need to eat.

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[–] [email protected] 141 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (32 children)

Not just invidious, they've just de facto blocked video embedding:

If you're wondering how a viable competitor could arise, other companies needing a video hosting solution that they can rely on to run their storefronts is a perfect use case. This is the Humble Bundle storefront, and they could pretty easily spin up a peertube instance. If that became commonplace, it could be one way for peertube to become ubiquitous.

EDIT: This is related to my VPN I believe, but storefronts still aren't going to be happy if they can't rely on their storefronts working for everyone.

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 month ago (56 children)

Start asking your favourite content creators to post on PeerTube.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 month ago (12 children)

And how are they going to make a living to keep producing videos?

I’d say ask them to join Nebula.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (13 children)

That depends. If they only make a living with YT ads, then it’s going to be hard.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

About half the ads I see on YouTube are already within the videos they post. I wonder what the overall ratio is of YouTube ad revenue versus in-video ad revenue.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Are you talking about sponsors? Because yes, that has nothing to do with YT ads.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Remember when people posted on YouTube for fun? It's only when it became a viable business that the platform turned to shit.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

All the people I watch on youtube make the majority of their money on patreon or twitch. Youtube is way too heavy handed with demonitization and copyright strikes to be a trutsworthy income source.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 month ago (4 children)

yt-dlp still works.

A spark of hope in a dim world.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 month ago (7 children)

You can still watch YouTube without ads using grayjay.app including sponsor block.

Thanks to Louis Rossman

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago (20 children)

Or just use Firefox with ublock?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Sure, that works too, however with grayjay you can follow creaters across platforms. So in case someone's account gets banned by YouTube due to whatever bullshit reason, you can continue following them on other platforms. Next to that you won't get spammed with Shorts junk. If you want to download a video to watch it offline, you can actually watch it offline (you don't require a connection like with YouTube to watch something offline)

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

YouTube will not change until people stop using it. And people do not want to put up with the inconvenience of not having a YouTube type service again for the amount of time it would take for YouTube to change or a viable competitor to take their place, it really is that simple.

Are YouTube and Google terrible? For sure, but it only got this way because the only backstop to holding them accountable, the consumer, has proven that they will choose putting up with shitty products and services in the name of convenience 9 times out of 10.

Same reasons that ad tiers are gaining a foothold in streaming services like Netflix. The consumer has shown they are fine with it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Time to pirate YT content and upload to usenet to be automatically downloaded using sonarr

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Same reasons that ad tiers are gaining a foothold in streaming services like Netflix. The consumer has shown they are fine with it.

Yep, I remember when Netlfix first put it out there that they would start with the ads, and everyone on reddit was like, "Canceling my Netflix right now!!"

Netflix is doing just fine without the 5 redditors who actually did cancel it. lmao

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (10 children)

the problem is so many people are willing to say they'll take a stand.

but when the time comes, the mindnumbingly overwhelming majority suck it up, because they must have their precious shiny and can not suffer even the mildest of inconvenience.

Its my biggest gripe in gaming, but its a enormous gripe just in general, with everything. because it doesnt matter if you are talking about appliances, creative software, video games, streaming services, stores, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

The elites don't want you to know but "[y]ou may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home)"

Following their guide gives a local Invidious client, don't forget to 1) copy their production compose file instead of using the one on git and 2) change "hmac_key"... from my experience setting up cron (crontab -e) to restart the docker container once per day keeps the Invidious docker healthy


Edit: here are some alternatives for popular Google services. Not in anyway related to the above (smirk

  • Google itself: SearXNG (try searx.be first), one of the easiest services to self-host
  • Gmail/calendar: a lot of people seem to swear by one of Proton Mail, Tutanota or Mailbox.org. Self-hosting is possible but challenging
  • Google Drive: You mean Nextcloud?
  • Google maps: Organic Maps is actually getting pretty good now
  • Google Chrome: at the very least there is Chromium... obviously there is Firefox and Firefox forks (such as Librewolf), as well as other smaller browsers
  • Google Play: F-Droid hosts a lot of FOSS stuff, and there are alternative ways to access Play (such as Aurora Store)
  • Android: a bit more difficult... but there is LineageOS, GrapheneOS, and similar stuff
[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (4 children)

If you do this, I would be fully prepared to lose access to all your Google services along with anyone else who may use Google services on the same IP. Gmail, Play store, Chrome, etc, etc can easily be wiped out with a ban from Google and this can seriously fuck people's day up if they've used Gmail and have 2FA setup on any external account.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (8 children)

You can block YouTube ads simply by connecting to an Albanian VPN server.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

This comment changed my life. Thanks.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago

Right now we have no other solutions/fixes. You may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home) but on datacenter IP addresses Invidious won't work anymore.

This might explain why mine has been reliable even though it hasn't been updated in months. I guess add me to the list of confirmations that it works on residential connections.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (6 children)

newpiped and freetube will continue to work but piped is also blocked as well

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

For those who are want something similar to invidious, you can try youtube-local (not my project, I am just a user). It is a minimal python youtube client, and functions similar to other frontends, but runs locally. You lose some amount of privacy (youtube still has a general idea of who is watching with IPs), but it is not very exact, and there is an option to use tor to get the content. You can also enable sponsorblock, or hide yt-shorts.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sad to hear. Newpipe is still working fine (as of a couple minutes ago) if that helps. That's through a residential IP. I will try yt-dlp from a data center IP when I get a chance. I hope they haven't blocked that.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (4 children)

For Android users, I highly recommend NewPipe as a YouTube client

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Self hosted option is a docker image. Probably not difficult to set up.

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