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[–] [email protected] 160 points 2 months ago (2 children)

you can't spell fail without AI.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Thank you for using IPA instead of other cheap beers.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I’m an AI Engineer, been doing this for a long time. I’ve seen plenty of projects that stagnate, wither and get abandoned. I agree with the top 5 in this article, but I might change the priority sequence.

Five leading root causes of the failure of AI projects were identified

  • First, industry stakeholders often misunderstand — or miscommunicate — what problem needs to be solved using AI.
  • Second, many AI projects fail because the organization lacks the necessary data to adequately train an effective AI model.
  • Third, in some cases, AI projects fail because the organization focuses more on using the latest and greatest technology than on solving real problems for their intended users.
  • Fourth, organizations might not have adequate infrastructure to manage their data and deploy completed AI models, which increases the likelihood of project failure.
  • Finally, in some cases, AI projects fail because the technology is applied to problems that are too difficult for AI to solve.

4 & 2 —>1. IF they even have enough data to train an effective model, most organizations have no clue how to handle the sheer variety, volume, velocity, and veracity of the big data that AI needs. It’s a specialized engineering discipline to handle that (data engineer). Let alone how to deploy and manage the infra that models need—also a specialized discipline has emerged to handle that aspect (ML engineer). Often they sit at the same desk.

1 & 5 —> 2: stakeholders seem to want AI to be a boil-the-ocean solution. They want it to do everything and be awesome at it. What they often don’t realize is that AI can be a really awesome specialist tool, that really sucks on testing scenarios that it hasn’t been trained on. Transfer learning is a thing but that requires fine tuning and additional training. Huge models like LLMs are starting to bridge this somewhat, but at the expense of the really sharp specialization. So without a really clear understanding of what can be done with AI really well, and perhaps more importantly, what problems are a poor fit for AI solutions, of course they’ll be destined to fail.

3 —> 3: This isn’t a problem with just AI. It’s all shiny new tech. Standard Gardner hype cycle stuff. Remember how they were saying we’d have crypto-refrigerators back in 2016?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Not to derail, but may I ask how did you become an AI Engineer? I'm a software dev by trade, but it feels like a hard field to get into even if I start training for the AI part of it, because I'd need the data to practice =(

But it's such a big buzz word I feel like I need to start looking that direction if i want to stay employed.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

if I want to stay employed

I think this is a little paranoid. Somebody has to handle the production models - deploying them to servers, maintaining the servers, developing the APIs and front ends that provide access to the models… I don’t think software dev jobs are going anywhere

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 2 months ago (12 children)

I think the whole system of venture capital might be garbage. We have bros spending millions of dollars like gif sharing while the oceans boil, our schools rot, and our infrastructure rusts or is sold off. Or, I guess I'm just indicting capitalism more generally. But having a few bros decide what to fund based on gutfeel and powerpoints seems like a particularly malignant form.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You think it might be??

Bro say that shit with some confidence.

Venture capital does not contribute beneficially to society.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

Say it with your whole chest and both feet. Cuz it's true.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's mainly because when everyone saw the "oh shiny" tech at first, they rushed it out as soon as possible with intent to replace people so that they can get away with doing less through AI.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Your average tech hype cycle. New tech comes out, lots of marketing, people try to shove it everywhere, then things settle down and the tech either fills a certain chunk of the market or some niche or it dies.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

NFT, Blockchain, dot Com boom, there's always another one

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Even within a company. Saw coworkers that were trying to establish themselves as the AI pioneers and were backstabbing others get promotions based on how they could best use the ChatGPT AI.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

Backstabbing your fellow coworkers over a chatbot has got to be one of the most pathetic things I've read recently

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Capitalism wastes money chasing new shiny tech thing

Yeah, we know. AI's not special.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

And I was always taught that capitalism allocates the resources ideally. /s

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This isn't unique to AI.

80% of new businesses fail, period.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Inside the first 10 years. We've been fucking around with AI for less than three.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

AI has been around much longer than 3 years... LLM is just a new twist.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And for the most part it's still powered by underpaid South Asian manpower lol.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago

80% of AI projects so far...

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (13 children)

Isn't it good that the money is being put back into circulation instead of being hoarded? I'm all in for the wealthy wasting their money.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (5 children)

The problem is the bulk of it is going to Nvidia.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

Don’t forget all the fuel burned for electricity to power it!

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Kinda, but it’s like feeding a starving child nothing but candy until they die.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m willing to bet the vast majority of that money is changing hands among tech companies like Intel, AMD, nVidia, AWS, etc. Only a small percentage would go to salaries, etc. and I doubt those rates have changed much…

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (27 children)

When did brute force switch from being an antipattern to the preferred pattern?

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Most people don't want to pay for AI. So they are building stuff that costs a lot for a market that is not willing to pay for it. It is mostly a gimmick for most people.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

And like, it's not even a good gimmick. It's a serious labour issue because the primary intent behind a lot of AI has always been to just phase out workers.

I'm all for ending work through technological advancement and universal income, but this definitely wasn't going to get us that, so....

Well, why would I support something that mostly just threatens people's livelihoods and gives even more power to the 0.1%?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Wasting?

A bunch of rich guy’s money going to other people, enriching some of the recipients, in hopes of making the rich guy even richer? And the point of AI is to eliminate jobs that cost rich people money?

I’m all for more foolish AI failed investments.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Here's a fitting AI generated Porky

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

I've been reading a book about Elizabeth Holmes and the Theranos scam, and the parallels with Gen AI seem pretty astounding. Gen AI is known to be so buggy the industry even created a euphemistic term so they wouldn't have to call it buggy: Hallucinations.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

AI is a ponzi scheme to relieve stupid venture capitalists of their money.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

To be fair, a large fraction of software projects fail. AI is probably worse because there's probably little notion of how AI actually applied to the problem so that execution is hampered from the start.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna27190518

https://www.zdnet.com/article/study-68-percent-of-it-projects-fail/

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Ooh ooh now do restaurants!!!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (5 children)

At least restaurants provide useful service...

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

100%, the remaining 20% grift their way to success

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That's great. Like 5% more fails than regular software projects. Why do people see this as validation for AI failing? Lol

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The interviews revealed that data scientists sometimes get distracted by the latest developments in AI and implement them in their projects without looking at the value that it will deliver.

At least part of this is due to resume-oriented development.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Is that better or worse than IT and software projects in general? It sounds like it might be better.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

From the article - "which is twice the failure rate for non-AI technology-related startups."

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (19 children)

As I said in a project call where someone was pumping up AI, this is just the latest bubble ready to pop. Everyone is dumping $$ into AI, a couple decent ones will survive but the bulk is either barely functional or just vaporware.

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