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lol “our detection system can’t tell the difference between you talking on the phone and you singing so we need you to keep the data clean by not singing”
Fuuuuck you.
Amazon: "We encourage expediency in delivery, so please don't stop to use the restroom. Just piss in this bottle."
Also Amazon: "We need you to arrive promptly, but also we expect you to work late. The needs of the customers come first!"
Finally, Amazon: "You're tired, you're hungry, you desperately need to piss, but we've decided the biggest risk to your driving safety is your dramatic rendition of Shake It Off by Taylor Swift, as you try to get your mind off the horror of working this dead end job."
also stop pissing in bottles, thats weird and disgusting, and no we wont give you more time.
Human conform to our half thought, low bid robot Overseer.
We truly live in a boring dystopia
Shit, how can we turn this into an interesting dystopia?
The Mad Max people had it right, there should be way more mohawks and scrap metal body armor going around.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Hey US, how's it going?
Jesus fucking christ...
How does that freedom taste?
When we eating the rich? I'm pretty hungry.
We should keep mouth movement to a minimum so...chew the rich with your mouth closed.
I love how the solution is to cram people into smaller and smaller boxes instead of just I dunno not monitoring your fucking drivers like they're fucking inmates in a maximum security prison you fascist-lite fucks
Edit: Good on 'em for quitting. Every single member of the population should refuse to work for these pricks until they get the goddamn message that we're adult fucking humans and we expect to be fucking well treated like it. The fact that some of us have the choice between kowtowing to this or starving is a stain on our society.
Double edit: "I hope you have to drive for Amazon in your retirement" might be a contender for the most horrible thing you could wish on someone in 2024.
You should almost never quit if you expect to be fired. Make them fire you and file for unemployment, then challenge them when they try to get out of it. The government tends to err on the side of the employee in my experience when things are unclear, and "We have a knowledge gap that prevents us from confirming whether or not you were actually violating policy, but you're fired anyway" is the kind of thing you can feel pretty confident challenging.
not monitoring your fucking drivers like they're fucking inmates in a maximum security prison you fascist-lite fucks
Weren't you schooled in the US? Aint this exactly what they trained us for?
OBEY, PERFORM, DON'T ASK QUESTIONS OR ELSE
I love driving. I've had delivery jobs and I really enjoyed them. There is absolutely no fucking way I'm working for anyone that has a fucking camera pointed at me. That is some fucking bullshit. I can't believe anyone works for that shit hole company and puts up with that garbage. No camera, no microphone. I'll do my job. If you don't trust me to do my job, then it's best for the both of us I'm not there.
I understand needing a job. I've been there. Don't put up with that bullshit, unionize, or find something else. There's jobs out there much better.
On a side note, If you drove holding the steering wheel with your middle fingers out, what kind of punishment would that be?
I've got a camera in my work truck. I hate it but I can't make this much money anywhere else. I was actually sent for a drug and alcohol test a few weeks ago because I kept dozing off while I was sitting in the truck on break. I passed because I was nice and charming to the young girl giving the test. The only thing I popped on was weed anyway.
The reason I was nodding off in the truck is I was fucking exhausted from making them a shitload of money.
On a side note, If you drove holding the steering wheel with your middle fingers out, what kind of punishment would that be?
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
It's 1964, you read this in a short story. You think its funny impossible distopia.
They've got a lot more resolve than I do. I'd have walked out long before this point, but had I been told that before going out on my run, I would have literally walked out there and then.
I've walked out of jobs for less.
It’s very easy to chest pound when you’re not having to make that same decision under the same circumstance in the moment - we don’t know what this guy‘s work prospects are or other factors that may have contributed to why he worked there as long as he did.
Maybe it wasn’t your intention, but your comment does seem to have some judgment behind it and I don’t think that’s right.
I'd have walked out long before this point
If the driver put up with everything until this point, then they probabbly didn't have a lot of better options. It's easy enough to say stuff like this, but not everyone has the freedom to quit when unemployment means your family goes back to the foodbank or moves into the car.
Oh no, the camera lens broke! Oh well 🤷♂️
Seriously though, as a software engineer, this is some grade A USDA choice bullshit. The solution isn’t “don’t move your mouth”. The solution is fix the fucking ML training set.
No, the solution is to throw all that machine vision micro-managing shit away. It belongs in the factory sorting goods.
If you want a robot then hire a robot!
We're trying. We aren't quite there yet. Just keep suffering for a feeew more years, then you won't have to worry about our micromanaging.
Uber's (and all the rest of the Silicon Valley illegal taxi racket) entire business model is "exploit humans until we invent Johnnycabs"
I think the only thing keeping them from going full auto right now is that humans keep accepting shittier and shittier conditions in order to keep the robopocalypse at bay.
I don't really like automated cars because I don't think they're safe, either for the passengers (who have at least accepted what they're getting into) or pedestrians (who have not), but I don't think that's ever slowed the "march of progress" before now.
This is absolutely terrible and definitely feels like an invasion of, idk, being a human?! But with that said, even though people find out stuff like this happens to drivers and workers, they still enable it by ordering from Amazon because of convenience.
Until we can pull away on our reliance on these services, the companies are just gonna keep crossing more and more lines because they know they’re getting away with it with their customers.
Until we can make crossing those lines painful for those companies, they'll keep doing it. Unfortunately, I think convenience is always going to beat morality if you leave it to "voting with your dollar", we need actual regulations from our governments to combat this shit.
You’re driving with a camera fine tuned on your face for the entire trip, set to trigger to your bosses when your face moves.
Not creepy at all.
It might open an unwanted can of worms but maybe the drivers could claim they aren't ~~signing~~ singing along to the radio but are vocalizing actions like Japanese train operators to ensure focus and safety.
Edit: I saw the sing and it opened up my eyes
claim they aren't signing along to the radio
I mean...if they're signing along to the radio, I'd say that's really dangerous and needs to be cracked down on! Can't sign sign language with both hands on the wheel after all!
Singing should be absolutely fine though.
Soon to be followed by getting a write-up for breaking down crying in your vehicle due to stress and shitty wages.
Can't restricting mouth movements be seen as a restriction on speech and people's right to talk about and form a union?
Why spend all the money union busting then do shit like this. Won't this just starts another round of unionization?
We’re not far from incurring debts from suicides that our families will have to repay.
I know it's not the point, but what happens if you wear a mask? Either a cloth mask, or a Michael Myers mask. They'll probably think "wow, this guy isn't distracted at all! employee of the month!"
Welcome to the new norm, within 10 years every worker will be on camera full shift.
But we're too busy stopping literal fascism and nearly every GOP-packed court will uphold it as perfectly fine and normal for everyone making less than 150k a year.
I have a drive cam for work that dies something similar. While they don't ding us for singing, they will for everything else like us scratching our ear because it thinks there's an earpiece and we can't have any electronic devices including GPS. But the camera screaming "FOLLOWING DISTANCE" every time we get cut off or a car 3 semi truck lengths away in 25 taps their brakes and forcing us to slam the brakes so we don't get written up is perfectly safe.
Yeah singing is terrible for driving... It's much better to be bored to sleep
We were so preoccupied with whether capitalism would replace us with robots, we didn't stop to think if it would turn us into robots.
Wear a mask
No. Fight these assholes passing these policies just so they can save a few pennies on insurance.