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Me personally? I've become much less tolerant of sexist humor. Back in the day, cracking a joke at women's expense was pretty common when I was a teen. As I've matured and become aware to the horrific extent of toxicity and bigotry pervading all tiers of our individualistic society, I've come to see how exclusionarly and objectifying that sort of 'humor' really is, and I regret it deeply.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I was totally headed down the alt right pipeline. Throughout highschool I was depressed and lonely. I lost my faith which sent me to the online atheist community which ran out of content, so they started attacking feminists/sjws. I also just distrusted women because I got molested as a child by one and no one took it seriously. This had primed me to just eat up all the content from the MRA/antifeminist crowd. The youtube algorithm, which at the time was absolutely unhinged, pushed me to racist content which I just parroted because I didn't know any better. I didn't understand why things were the way things were, but I was taught who to blame.

What saved me was getting friends. These friends shattered my preconceptions, which sent me to the library, which got me talking to more people, which got me reading more. By the time I finished high school I just became utterly incompatible with the person I used to be. I couldn't take back the things I said to people, but I could join their protests and speak up for them when I heard some heinous shit being said.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I watched a few Jordan Peterson videos out of curiosity, and I will also watch some Joe Rogan clips as well for the same reason. For a while, I was bombarded by alt right YouTube videos. It's so crazy to think just a few clicks can lead you down that path. I was older when I watched so it, so I could obviously discern their real message, but if I was a younger man it would be harder. The algorithm almost seemed to slowly introduce more and more extreme views.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Watch the Pangburn videos of Jordan Peterson debating Sam Harris. It's easy to see what a word-salad regurgitating sophist blowhard Peterson is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

As a millennial, we grew up with the phrases "that's gay" and "that's retarded" (which meant the same thing) and obviously we had to learn to phase those out.

While I never once meant "that's disabled" or "that's homosexual"... We obviously don't say that stuff anymore.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I witnessed something at work a few weeks ago, that caught me off guard. One of the managers was asking for a favour off one of the lads in work, it's a blue collar job so it's never been PC, "Carl, need a favour, can you do such and such" "Can't sorry Steve" "Go on lad don't be gay" "Steve, I've been taking cock for the last 25 years and you asking me to stop for an extra hours work won't stop me"

Everyone around just creased up laughing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Now THAT sounds like a friendly work environment lol

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I learned these real quick in the workplace as a young adult, around a coworker with a mentally disabled child, and with a coworker who was gay. The abstraction is what made using such crude language easy. As soon as I knew someone affected by the words, I snapped out of it.

Abstraction, come to think of it, is what permits a lot of bad behavior.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

See, this is why we need more diverse representation in the media now. Manchildren always whine about "diversity ruining everything" when it's really a truer reflection of America's evolving demographics.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I still say "That's pretty gay" but only for things like rainbows or LGBT bumper stickers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yep we used to use "that's gay" all the time. Never meant other than that is stupid.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Growing up in the 90s, we would always say things were 'gay' even though we had nothing against homosexuals. It was just the thing to say. Yeah, definitely should not have been saying that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To add to that. A popular recess game among grade schoolers (like 10 year olds!) was Smear the Queer. I can't remember the rules exactly but i think it was essentially tag but rougher.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh god I've got so many.

My latest one is remembering that you can't really fight fire with fire, unless you're being extraordinarily strategic about it. Attacking bigotry for instance, simply makes it stronger, as it feeds off strife and fear themselves. Remembering why Michelle Obama said when they go low, we go high. Not out of any great preference, but out of a lack of viable alternatives in her situation.

You can't actually "fight" it. You can exclude it. You can corral it. You can trick it into running itself off a cliff. But you can't actually destroy it by combating it directly, because it feeds off the combat, just like Trump does. You have to outmaneuver it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I routinely attack bigots on social media. I enjoy writing and their shitty views are basically writing prompts for me.

At no point have I ever expected to change the bigots mind. They're not going to read a social media comment and wake up a new person -- they'd lose their bigot friends and bigot family.

But I have changed the minds of spectators, and thats important. Which is why assholes should never be left unchallenged when they're being assholes, especially on the safety of the internet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Pride started as a riot. Women's Lib started as a riot. Peaceful demonstrations achieve nothing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Gay people. When I was much much younger I remember telling a friend that while I didn't have a problem with people doing their own thing, I still didn't like gay people. My friend said I hope when you have kids they're gay. Guess what happened and how I feel about it now. I was such a dumb ass. When my kid came out to me I wept for joy at their bravery. I don't take hard stances on my opinions now and try to remember that my perspective isn't ultimate or necessarily right. There's always a chance that I'm wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You really tempted fate, there!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There weren't many gay people when I was growing up. At least not openly. I was first introduced to some gays at a gay bar. They basically made me feel like a juicy steak in a meat market (not in a good way). Several comments about my dick within 10 seconds of meeting them.

Today I have many gay friends that I enjoy their company but that was a huge setback for me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It took one of those meat market experiences to make me self-reflect about how I treated women as a straight man.

Thankfully I was relatively young when it happened, but I'll always regret how I treated women before then.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You know what, I never treated women that way but I certainly gained a lot of empathy for them after that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's crazy to me now that there wasn't a single (open) trans or gay person in my high school in the 90s. I sometimes wonder who actually was, but wasn't able to be themselves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

My high school class was in mid-'00s, and there was one girl who very much had that butch/tomboy vibe going on. I drifted away from the class, so only heard rumours after graduation, but I think she never actually came out as anything. On the other hand three others of us (two of whom, including myself, I never would have guessed back in high school) eventually came out as various shades of queer :D

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Did you tell them your name? Because I think that might have led them to make some assumptions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Used to use the word 'retarded' to describe people doing dumb things. Then I realized that not only was it hurtful to people with Down Syndrome - it was inaccurate ... as a person with Down Syndrome would not do the things I was attributing to the phrase.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I was raised in a fundamental christian extremest environment and stuck with it for 30 years. I'm now a card carrying atheist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I was raised Baptist, with all the shitty bells and whistles. I'm now an agnostic theist. Part of me is still fond of Christianity, but definitely not the more eyebrow-raising stuff nor the church.

I am proud of my new theistic beliefs now, as they remain rational and embrace how little we really can know. And now I validate atheism as rational and normal too. At least in principle— some atheists can be as cultish and angry as some Christians or some vegans or any other community that focuses on world-scale beliefs and issues. But I digress.

Congrats on getting away from extremists and forming your own beliefs, fam.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I no longer describe anything as 'lame' or 'retarded' or 'spaz' or their variants. It makes me sad ableism is so ingrained in even the most inclusive spaces even though the same argument has removed the use of 'gay' for the same reasons.

I also avoid dark or dry humour unless I'm confident the people I am talking to know it's absurdist and not a serious opinion. I don't always succeed at this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I honestly don't think it's ableism. Languages evolve and retarded doesn't mean a mental condition it literally means "dumb". Most people don't even know "lame" is related to a movement conditions and if you did a statistical analysis 99% of use cases are not related to the "original meaning". People are just ignorant of how language works, especially since English is a global language.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, people made the same arguments about 'gay' and 'fag'.

Retarded was the word of choice medically in the 60's - 80's for people with developmental disabilities. It derives from the Latin word Tardus which means slow or late.

Languages evolve, but the euphemistic treadmill is ongoing. The word 'cretin' derived from the word 'Christian', the person who coined it intended it to mean that people with cognitive impairments were still people worthy of respect. And now it's just a straight up insult. Similar with 'idiot' and 'moron'.

And these days you can look at wojaks which use physical differences like drooling or missing half a head or being physically unattractive in unconventional ways to indicate ignorance or stupidity.

Every word that people use to try to describe people with disabilities respectfully becomes a slur. That's because of ableism. It's just not talked about much.

More on this topic for anyone interested in the euphemism treadmill: https://humanparts.medium.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-mentally-retarded-e3b9eea23018

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I practice meditation quite seriously, but I stopped telling people I'm spiritual. I really am not interested in ghost stories, gods and angels at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've done ny best to shake out ableist, racist, and other harmful speech.

We may be able to speak freely but we are all held accountable for the words we say

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I used to use “gay “ or “ retarded “ as negative adjectives, I no longer do because using someone’s being in a negative light is really mean, and I try not to be mean.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Racism.

While I was never into it myself thankfully, I let it pass a lot in my family. Being in university changed that though, it just feels too uncomfortable to have my family say racist shit in front of me while I have so many people of color as friends. I still struggle to call out their transphobia though but that is due to my own identity issues.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I never realized how frequently I called things “lame” until I said it in front of a coworker paralyzed from a motorcycle accident. Hopefully he understood, but it just took that one glance telling me he heard it for me to stop. To try to stop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

smoking. growing up in the 80s, everyone was smoking - in bars, restaurants, airplanes, even hospitals.

everyone I knew, their parents smoked tobacco or chewed tobacco. I started smoking myself, around 16 or so, as did all of my friends & even people I didn't associate with. it was just part of the culture - and yes, I was aware at the time that it was a dangerous activity, but kids are stupid.

and then around 15 years ago or so everyone stopped or switched to vaping. now I really only see homeless people smoking. it's quite the culture shift.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't have any regrets about making dead baby jokes when I was much younger, but definitely won't be making them now with an 8 month old daughter.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In the 90s, anything bad was "retarded" or "gay". Those don't really fly anymore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Grew up in the 80s and 90s. As progressive and openminded as I thought I was then...holy shit there are a lot of words and phrases I won't touch any more because they sound archaic, racist, mysoginistic, or hateful today. Back then they were perfectly acceptable everyday things no one would bat an eye at. It does make me happy that at least in this small arena we seem to have made progress as a society.

(Should add that this is from a US perspective)

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