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It was funded and promoted by ~~the Koch billionaires.~~ the second estate.

FTFY. Reduced it to a previously solved problem.

The guillotine party knows how to deal with the second estate.

I thought that too, until Harris ran a centrist campaign, and it turned out that American politics has become so polarized that there is no center.

We're primed for a militant leftist party.

The right isn't the problem. Our problem is a lack of a left. The Tea Party managed to resuscitate the GOP about 4 terms ago. We need a Guillotine Party to drag the Democrats away from corporate American and back to the electorate.

The Democrats don't win here.

Just like the Tea Party transformed the GOP, we need a Guillotine Party to drag the Democratic party to the electorate.

The Republicans had their little tea party a few years ago. The Democrats need a Guillotine Party to properly represent us.

Because it would put blame on the adults?

I have no problem throwing the adults in prison with him, if you can reasonably show they are responsible. Go ahead and blame them all you want. But understand that the blame they carry does not in any way excuse him from responsibility for his actions, nor the consequences of those actions. They can be blamed also, not instead.

Murder is too simple an idea to suggest that a 15-year-old can't be held responsible for committing it.

Consider the alternative, or, rather, that really seems to be what you’re implying: That children are responsible for their own upbringing.

His upbringing isn't relevant to the issue. His deliberate actions are. He is generally responsible for his deliberate actions, regardless of how shitty a hand he was dealt.

We can give him some leniency on issues like contract law: He might not have the cognitive ability to understand an important legal document. He might not understand the value of money. He might not have the capacity for complex abstract thought, and should be protected from those who would exploit that and defraud him.

But Murder isn't an abstract concept. It's pretty simple. He isn't owed any societal protections for deciding to kill someone.

Hear, hear!

And what if noone was warm to him, who is at fault when the village burns?

Him.

It's a pretty simple concept. He is the one who performed the act. He is responsible.

I'd say the adults are.

Unless you can show the adults deliberately taught him to murder, I'd say no. If you can show they did that, they can join him in prison forever. But he doesn't get a pass.

I'm perfectly happy to blame the adults for a kid becoming a little shithead asshole. Not so much when the kid deliberately decides to murder someone.

You argued that 4-year-olds don't need supervision. Now you're arguing that 15-year-olds are incapable of being responsible for their own, deliberate actions; that their parents, guardians, or other individuals charged with supervising their behavior are responsible.

Because that’s where your path leads: Towards a failure to regard other people as people.

No. Life, liberty, rights, and privileges can - and should - be deprived upon conviction of a crime. The appropriate deprivation of rights and privileges as a sentence for murder is life imprisonment. Nothing of my opinion disregards any person as a person.

Your position, however, disregards the victim's rights as a person. Further, you have advocated for stripping me of my rights to participate in governance based solely on your dislike for my opinion.

You have justified fascism.

It’s about executive control.

I summarily reject your suggestion that a 15-year-old is so lacking in their capacity for executive control that they can be excused of murder.

If an adult has an intrusive thought

This wasn't an intrusive thought. This was a deliberate act.

If a kid does not feel the warmth of the village they will find the warmth they deserve by setting it ablaze.

By all means, be warm to the kid. Until he starts setting people on fire.

You should be kept as far away from the justice system as possible.

You just "othered" me. You just called for me to be undemocratically removed from the political process, entirely because you don't agree with my opinions. I have not been tried or convicted in any crime, or otherwise been the subject of any sort of due process that would strip me of any rights or privileges.

Your position is therefore undemocratic.

I do, indeed, understand that children slowly bear more and more responsibility for their own actions as their cognition and experience increases. What you don't seem to understand is that the cognitive abilities and experiences necessary to comprehend the rightness and wrongness of murder are typically developed well before age 10. You further fail to understand that this kid possessed them. He knew what he was doing. This wasn't some youthful indiscretion, or a simple failure to control his impulses. This was a deliberate act. He specifically went looking to kill someone, and succeeded.

You asked me several comments up to consider my own behavior at age 15. I never murdered anyone, and I knew that murdering people was wrong before 15. Long before 15. The overwhelming majority of kids are sufficiently responsible to use deadly weapons for hunting and sport before reaching their teens.

Murder stops being tolerable as soon as the individual is capable of deliberately causing it. This kid was capable of such deliberation. He is irredeemable.