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[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Same reason we did in ancient times, aggregating content

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think he wanted to know why it's the best way for people to aggregate content. Implied that OP think it's not an optimal way of doing it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

Cuz algorithm based content really sucks sometimes. Sometimes I want a direct feed to my content.

My RSS feeds are the AP, IT/InfoSec news sources, and XKCD :P

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What’s your favourite rss aggravator?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Theoldreader

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

For the most part, I don’t visit websites. I can parse through hundreds of articles in minutes and jump immediately to what interests me. Hell of a lot faster than hopping from site to site in the hopes there’s something of interest.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

RSS is an aggregation protocol that is

  • distributed
  • pull-oriented
  • self-curated

This is in contrast to reddit, digg, lemmy, or other aggregator services which are

  • centralized (even if federated)
  • push-oriented
  • public input w/ moderator curation

Each of these decisions has tradeoffs.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I tried listening to podcasts through RSS apps in F-droid. Nothing came of this venture. These RSS readers do not support any media other than photos. I will test Miniflux in the near future. They declare their support YouTube.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I don't think you're looking for a reader, but a podcast app. Something like AntennaPod should do the trick. I use Pocket Casts but don't think it's on F-droid. Remember, RSS is an infrastructure not a user experience.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No.
Literally all podcast technology is built on RSS.
If you take RSS away, podcasts go with them.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Anecdata. I was hooked by RSS right from the outset in the mid-2000s. I used Google Reader for a bit and Netvibes for several years. It was amazing. This was the way the open internet was supposed to be. I had a dashboard to follow a whole bunch of cool sites and blogs, with not a scummy ad in sight. At one point there was even this cool tool whose name I forget which would filter RSS items, by means of multiple dials, based on their social-media buzziness. This was obviously a dangerous slope to be on, but at the time it felt safe enough and it was incredibly powerful at fine-tuning the signal. Again: all without any advertising or spying.

Then websites began to drop their feeds. Stuff began to break. I succumbed to the prevailing wisdom that RSS was on the way out, and tried other things. Lots of things, including Twitter and Pocket and Reddit and Google Alerts and probably even email at one point. Nothing came close to the functionality and freedom of RSS.

So, to cut the story short, I went back to RSS. It hadn't gone away after all. In fact, the rot seems to have stopped. Major blogging software like Wordpress still provides it, obviously. But so does Youtube, if you hunt a bit. Some news sites have even improved their offering. Maybe they finally grasped that RSS is like email: it's an ally against big tech domination. And for the rest there are now lots of tools to generate RSS feeds on the fly. Right now I use a modified Python script that does this for a couple of news sites I can't live without. It works great, although this is obviously not a solution for normies.

RSS is just an acronym but the principle is as relevant as ever. There needs to be an open standard for getting a summary of recently-published content on their web. RSS is the plumbing solution that works best and I hope it can be improved and made better still.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Control over the content I consume.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

How can you follow a hundred sources talking about different arguments you wanna check at different times and different time intervals?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Saves me the bother and time of visiting many sites on a regular basis to see what's new. RSS is delivered to me.

By choosing what I sign up for, I know what I think I'm going to get and will soon unsubscribe if not. If so I miss nothing. Same reason people prefer purchases of things they know they want to be delivered to them. THAT'S "modern times" to me! You only drive to the store if there's a reason to.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

It remains the only good way to track hundreds of websites at once.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

When Google Reader went down, I migrated to Feedly and all the 3rd party apps switched too. Basically every news site supports it (usually with per-topic feeds) and it’s great for keeping up with things like podcasts, software releases, and things like that. Anything that isn’t super urgent but you don’t want to miss an update about is ideal for RSS.

I used to use Twitter for breaking news before it went fash but Mastodon and BlueSky are fine for that (and getting better every day). And I’ve always hated algorithmic news tools; every time I try one, I just get topics I don’t care about from low quality sources that I’d never read. So, I just stuck with RSS.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

It's an easy way to keep tabs on websites that sporadically publish content.

It also encourages me to read the news more often.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

It's really useful for distributing podcasts.

You could also use it to follow things, if you want to follow them. People often cross-post to social platforms when they publish a new thing, but if you don't want to try and agree on a platform (or on ActivityPub) with everything you want to follow, you can use RSS.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Twitter replaced my rss feed. Then Twitter sucked.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Where does one get a good rss feed viewer? My Google and ddg is full of shit adds that are not rss feeds

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Self hosted RSS readers

Android apps: Feeder, spaRSS, Read You (what I'm using currently but it's very basic and I'm not sure if it's still being developed)

Probably more out there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I use FreshRSS and FeedMe on the phone.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Miniflux.app is very good.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I've had it sent to my work email account in outlook for the past 15 years now from various websites. It's just way easier to click through email in the morning for 5 minutes for the 5 or so sites I would visit then to actually go there and navigate. I also have a few others that send when applications update which tells me the version and changelog.

I have never seen anyone else use this but if people see me using it and ask they think it's useful.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

For ongoing series of published articles about modern times

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

As others have said, I don't visit news websites because it's more important to be first than correct or even in the ballpark, and with many readers I get to choose what I'm reading with blacklist words or even regex.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Keep track of various members of the Twitter diaspora

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I didn’t know Twitter had an RSS option. How do we access it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

sometimes the feed aggregator will bypass the paywall for ya 👀

i also like that reading the articles in my feed reader doesn't give away any tracking information. can get the same info without visiting the source website at all. and when i do open links there's no source to show where i opened it from.

ultimately it's so much easier having most news sources in one place instead of subscribing to hella newsletters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can't site owners know from which IP address their news and pictures were downloaded via RSS?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

i use a vpn

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

@indigojasper
wholeheartedly agree!

@Slow

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Social media is shit, and will always be shit, because the people who make social platforms are petty authoritarians bent on punishing the world because they didn't get enough pussy in high school. It is not a substitute for a well-curated collection of RSS feeds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately the display of content in different RSS readers is different.

I understand that RSS is for displaying text and photo information, but the lack of video and audio playback in various app is disappointing.

In addition, it is often necessary to configure the server part to scan commercial sites. This is something that beginners cannot handle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately the display of content in different RSS readers is different.

Why is this a problem? I consider this a strength; choose the reader that works best for you.

I understand that RSS is for displaying text and photo information, but the lack of video and audio playback in various app is disappointing.

You know that podcasts are basically RSS feeds with extensions, right?

In addition, it is often necessary to configure the server part to scan commercial sites.

Why is this necessary?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The answer to your question. There are news channels that are only on social networks. Or bloggers who publish insider information about new equipment. As far as I know, you can't do without scraping on the server if you want to receive news from social networks.

Except for off-the-shelf solutions like Nitter instants.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

There are news channels that are only on social networks.

And you're better off ignoring them. Corporate news channels are nothing but advertising and propaganda.

As far as I know, you can’t do without scraping on the server if you want to receive news from social networks.

Not to be pedantic, but web scraping and port scanning aren't the same. If you had mentioned scraping before I'd have been content to say that sites that make you scrape instead of providing RSS feeds are run by assholes.