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well, leftists/squad progressives did tell all the young democrats not to vote for Joe/Kamala, so they didn't vote. with litteraly everything at stake, having already lost things like federally protected safe abortion access. you know who did turn out, young people, arab americans, and latino americans who voted for trump, think that made up ~ 2.3% and the differece between the young people who didn't vote democrat and the "new republicans" tilted the balance in the swing states? nah, probably not, right. do they call that a phyrric victory? no that's egyptian. anyway, congratulations to everyone who marched on every major us city, and took over campus commons across the nation in the spring and summer of an election year, chanting "from the river to the sea". i wonder if that scared the bezeezus outta just middle america or all of it. nah, probably had nothing to do with it. anyway, enjoy your victory over "genocide joe" (kamala) folks
Are these progressives who told people not to vote for Biden or Harris in the room with us right now?
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/297de20b-14f2-4651-be4a-8d3259719cac.png
Here's one right here. I'll keep going back through my comment history because I've interacted with quite a few "progressives" who found Biden's policy to be inadequate were ok with Trump's genocide policy nothing to worry about.
You think some British radio host who isn't big enough to have his own Wikipedia page was a significant influence on US elections? I can't even find enough info on this dude to determine what his political views are and whether he self-identities as "progressive" or not.
Every progressive politician in the US was trying to get as many anti-Trump votes as possible.
Apologies it was supposed to be a link to the lemmy post of this screenshot not just the image, because there were enough people who were complaining about biden's policy but conveniently ignoring trumps genocide accelerationist policy on the post itself. Seems like the copy link button on jerboa is a bit funky.
Once again, a bunch of bots, trolls, astroturfers anonymously posting and maybe claiming to be progressive on the internet. If you fell for it that's on you.
I didn't fall for it, I voted blue straight down my ballot on election day, but all these bots, trolls and astroturfers convinced a lot of other people to stay home on election day.
So yes here is an example of those "progressives" dissuading people from voting "in the room with us." Doesn't matter if they're bots and trolls, they masqueraded as vaguely progressive and convinced people to stay home on election day. If they were legitimately progressive or astroturf, the end result is the same, the party of accelerated genocide ended up with the presidency, the house, senate and Judiciary.
Oh just a hint but the "are the XYZs in the room with us" line is supposed to be about sarcastically pointing out something doesnt exist and isn't easily proven to actually exist.
Luckily, all you have to do is point to anyone who doesn't love your genocide and scream that they're a russian.
I don't care who was dissuading people from voting, there are bad actors across the board out there who absolutely are dissuading people from voting focusing on biden's status quo genocide policy and burying trumps genocide acceleration under the noise.
Congratulations I hope you're happy with even more genocide that what would otherwise be happening.
Centrists interpret anyone upset with their genocide as "dissuading people from voting." Has it ever occurred to you that people were trying to warn you what would happen if you kept up with your genocide support? Or did you just not care, knowing that you would get your genocide either way?
In a better world there would be a "no genocide" option, unfortunately we didn't have any of those options once the election rosters were finalized so we ended up with a slow rolled mildly economically sanctioned genocide under biden or an accelerated genocide under trump or a non-serious third party in a country where the last third party to win an election was 170 years ago.
Congrats the accelerated genocide won out over the status quo. I did what I could with what is available to me, I voted against the worse option with an actual chance to win.
Anyone who tried to pressure Democrats into being a "no genocide" option was screamed at by the same pro-genocide centrists who are now blaming them for Harris' loss. But yeah, you sound real broken up about there being no "disagree with you about genocide" option.
I also voted for Harris, despite her support for your genocide.
If you're going to quote me, use all of what I said. You left out the "by the end of the campaigning." part.
At the end of the day, I voted for Harris and voted against an accelerated genocide because the final choice after months of atrocious debates and rushed campaigning and people rightfully calling out Netanyahu's campaign against Gaza and the Palestinians a genocide, no matter who was funding Israel. But people wanted to talk about Genocide Joe like he was masterminding the entire genocide and ignoring Trump literally threatening to make it worse by telling Netanyahu he can have all the money and weapons he wants to finish it quickly.
Biden didn't mastermind shit. He mindlessly followed the leader of a genocidal regime.
Holy fucking shit you're literally proving my point. You're so focused on Joe Biden's passive participation you're ignoring Trump actively making it worse. Do you agree that Trump is making the genocide worse?
Selling weapons isn't passive.
Well, it's bad enough that some centrists are finally admitting that it is a genocide, so yeah. It's your wing of the party's only policy, so I don't see why you're so upset that it's being carried out by a kindred spirit.
I guess I have to preface everything I say with a disclaimer of pro-genocide centrist talking points in order to satisfy the trump-adjacent wing of the party.
Oh lots trying to wedge drive. The Stein and uncommitted voters were a big presence. Many of them have very quickly shut up since the election. Golly, how curious.
I disagree. I see the pro-Palestine comments as pretty constant. What I have seen a rise of is of comments from liberals gleefully celebrating the plight of the Palestinians.s
It's a good thing their odds are so much better under Donald then, huh.
I'm sure he'll listen to their grievances, amirite?
Also I'm sure they'll care more about Putin's ongoing genocide in Ukraine, yes? As Trump suspends all future aid not already allocated to Ukraine, it doesn't look good, Cotton.
Nope, but they sure are on Lemmy.
https://lemmy.world/u/verdantbanana
If you're on a Lemmy instance, you bet your ass they are
Interestingly, people can self-identify however they want! I didn't see a meaningful amount of genuine progressives telling people not to vote. There's speculation that foreign disinformation spread the sentiment of "protest voting" and stirred shit up.
However. Whatever the case, people need to take personal responsibility. You decide what type of information to consume and how to vet it (if you even do). And you are to blame if you decided not to vote or threw it away on an inviable 3rd-party candidate.
I don't get this repeated talking point. Do you just want people to say you were right? Do you want to quash discussion of politics?
I have a feeling that comments like these, that point backward with blame and promote hopelessness, are foreign disinformation.
They are pointless. Help or get out of the way.
They want all criticism from their left and only their left to be silent forever.
I suspect these people are astroturfers purposefully trying to stay in the way.
Honestly, the thing I miss most about reddit is the volume of people that had already been to a post and either downvoted garbage like that or meaningfully added to the discussion to the point where it'd be drowned out already. This person is spreading misinformation. Cori Bush (who incidentally lost to a pro-Israel democrat) and AOC both vocally supported Kamala, so they're just wrong in addition to being pro genocide.