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So 10€ for a Terrabyte? How? You can't compare mass-discounted stuff, like cloud, which additionally uses your data for tracking etc., to generate more money, with the consumer focused, single-item storage common a few years ago.
Yeah apparently I just got ripped tf off with the ssd I just bought.
Storage IS cheap these days, but 1c/GB is not true.
pretty close, though. $99.99 for new 8tb seagate hdd is the lowest/gb i've seen in the last couple years from a major retailer.
Yeah, it's not true yet but it's not another five years away either.
I just checked and 18tb can be had for $170, so we're there already.
Nice. Where?
Haven't heard of the brand (MDD), but here's the Amazon listing. It claims to have a 5-year warranty, so there's that, but people on Reddit claim they're basically refurbished HDDs w/ wiped SMART data, so YMMV.
I wouldn't gamble on it and would instead get a brand I trust (either WD or Seagate), but it exists.
Cool. My older RAID controller maxes out at 16TB per drive so that wouldn't work for me either way but I did gamble on some rebranded SAS drives from Amazon once and haven't regretted it. Water Panther was the name, recertified WD Enterprise drives I believe. That was over five years ago and they're all still running strong. The shucked Seagates that I bought brand new all self destructed in a matter of months but, to be fair, they were garbage SMR drives that were never meant to leave the safety of their USB enclosures. They do still work but the write throughput is now somewhere between DSL and dialup...
Any reason you're using a RAID controller instead of software RAID? Depending on the RAID level, you could be screwed if the controller dies.
Basically because it's a redundant server I don't really care about that only rarely gets fired up these days, and I have a second, identical controller for exactly the scenario you're imagining.
But really because I'm lazy and depressed and don't have the energy to take on learning something new (to me) like Unraid at this point. The same server does actually run software RAID for all the VMs' solid state boot volumes, just not for the mechanical drives that store content which is all replaceable anyway as it's freely available on Usenet.
Also, this is a personal system. I take much better care of my customers because I am deeply grateful for my 10 hour-per-week "full time" salaried job that I'm incredibly lucky to have in the first place and am currently doing from bed with my dogs right next to me. Well, I will be anyway after I hit submit.
Eventually.
Awesome, I hope you can find a resolution to your depression, but glad to hear you're in a good spot for now.
That's kind of you to say. Thank you.
I just checked and found an 18tb HDD for $170, so we're there already. I personally would spring for the $210 "enterprise NAS" drive though.
https://a.co/d/eLUC1DL
.016 cents per gb. It's pretty close, but i can't really find anything lower and reliable.
Here's an 18tb for $170:
https://www.amazon.com/MDD-7200RPM-Internal-Enterprise-MDD18TSAS25672E/dp/B0C35RT3JC
I wouldn't get it and I'd pay another $30-40 for a brand I recognize, but it does exist.
I also saw an HGST 12TB for <$110. Good brand, not sure about the specific drive.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#sort=ppgb&page=1
Refurbished 16TB+ HDDs are around that price range.
If you want a new one its sadly twice as expensive.
Often has exorbitant shipping + tax to germany, unfortunately, and once you want recertified ones, so more than a month or so of warranty, it's more expensive.
Yup, I've had to really search for good offers in the past over here but there's still a couple of decent one's around.
For example:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0CF5XVHMS/
16 TB @ 200€ with [probably] cheap shipping + you can add an extended warranty of up to 4 years for an additional 6€. No clue whether the extended warranty covers hard drive failure, though it seems like it should.
I agree that cloud storage is a rental scheme and not comparable, but an old sata disk here is 240Gb for £24 which is equivalent to 10c per Gig. If you go back to abandoned formats like ide hard disks you may be able to get 0.01 per Gb.
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/240gb-wd-green-sata-m2-ssd-m2-2280-sata-iii-6gb-s-slc-nand-read-545mb-s-wd-ssd-dashboard
I checked Amazon and found some 12tb (HGST) and 18tb (MDD) drives for <$10/tb. WD and Seagate are a little over $10/tb, but not by much.
2TB for 20€:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/356346610758?itmmeta=01JEGTZZB01X60WW9NT90AX12Q
1TB for free:
https://www.terabox.com/cloud-storage-pricing-plans
Ok, used and probably unreliable or maybe already damaged may be a way to achieve that.
And cloud where you data is just used for tracking and advertising (for) you isn't comparable to the local method, as I said.
You can just encrypt stuff yourself before you upload it.
Of course, that's how I do it for my backups, that should be redundant. But that's not how almost anyone would do it for normal files.
Yeah, as you said. In your edit that moved the goalpost while I was looking these up.
Your initial question was about 10TB for 10€, no disclaimer.
Weil ich dann gemerkt habe, dass ich das spezifizieren muss. Hab dss halt schnell beim warten getippt.
If we're gonna get nitpicky on this (which we might as well), we should include the cost of bandwidth when talking about the cloud. They offer the storage for free (theoretically), but it still costs you money to upload and download that data.
I was just having a similar conversation with some people about the rapidly increasing size demands from video games, and somebody brought up the point of bandwidth as an issue as important as the size on disk. If you have to download multi-gig patches for a 100+ gig game, that's going to very quickly eat through monthly data caps.