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This comment section has led me to more deeply consider the effects that all types of food production have on animals. I previously have just been ok with any non-animal product, but I now realize that this is not enough, and I am still causing harm to animals with the products that I do use. I will try to ensure that I buy the lowest-impact food available in the future, but I don't think it is even be possible to stay alive without causing harm to some animals.

I think using products produced by animals is generally going to be worse than harming animals to stop them from destroying crops, but I will need to consider this more deeply to make the best choice I can.

The list of edible products shrink as I learn of new harm. As a modern human, I am addicted to sugar, but I do need to make more of an effort to use less of it, as well as lessen the impact of what I do use.

I switched to a somewhat custom keyboard and only use my pinkies for 1 key each during normal typing. It's probably not an issue for most people, but for me the pinkies were the most affected by repetitive strain before i switched.

You are correct. There is more that i can and need to do. That still does not make it good to use honey.

Genuine question, I would like to know if there is a reason. Why doesn't she just let the bees keep it?

Bees can kill their queen and make a new one no problem.

This doesn't make the mutilation of the queen bee any less bad. It's still harming the bee. I am not aware if a bee has the ability to make an informed decision on whether to kill the queen and relocate, so I cannot make an informed decision about whether the bees actually want to be in their current hive.

If the colony would want to move away they would just do that.

I don't know if this is true. It's possible the bees are being manipulated into staying at their current hive in some way.

I don't think clipping the queen wings would do nothing

It would hurt the queen, which is more than I want to be involved in.

But I doubt any beekeeper colony would want to move as they are keep at a perfect environment so they can produce more honey that they would actually need to survive. Even industrial ones. It's part of basic beekeeping that bees must be in a good place so they produce the most honey

Making an assumption about what the bees want is not strong enough of an excuse for me to be ok with their exploitation. I don't believe we should have the right to make decisions for other organisms, and the bees are not able to tell us how they want to be treated, so we should not try to control them or take what they produce.

Hurt of mistreated bees would not produce honey.

This appears to also be an assumption. I do not know if it is true, so I cannot use it to make a decision

If they are mistreated the try to leave (and as stated they can just kill their Queen if she is crippled), they eat all the honey, or just die.

If this is true, there is likely to be a minimum amount of mistreatment before they take action. I do not know how much mistreatment a bee can take, so I cannot use this to make a decision.

Bees are really complicate to get advantage of. Our relationship with them need to be symbiotic to work.

I do not know if this is true. We take advantage of many animals without giving them much in return, so I am not sure if the bee-beeker relationship is actually symbiotic.

I dont care. In my opinion, the best way to live is to do as little harm as possible, and it appears that bees are harmed by the human collection of honey, so I will not use honey.

Reasons that I, as a vegan, do not use honey:

1. I cannot guarantee that the bees consented to their product being harvested. Some beekeepers clip the queen's wings, which can prevent the colony from leaving.

2. I cannot guarantee that bees were not harmed in the process of harvesting (potentially getting crushed by the honeycomb frames, for example) or in the process of controlling the colony (like clipping the queen's wings).

That post title took way too long to read

This is false

Every county in my state always votes red. Due to the way elections are held in this country, it does not matter how I vote. I could vote for Harris, on the tiny chance that enough others will as well, or I could vote 3rd party, and at least increase the percentage of voters doing that so that it doesnt seem as useless next time. Hell, I could vote for trump and there would still be no difference.

Don't alienate your allies if you want them to stay allies

If those in power are making millions of lives worse, they should be stopped. I prefer doing this by taking their power, but I would settle for their heads if there is no alternative.

Katydid