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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago (25 children)

Reasons that I, as a vegan, do not use honey:

  1. I cannot guarantee that the bees consented to their product being harvested. Some beekeepers clip the queen's wings, which can prevent the colony from leaving.

  2. I cannot guarantee that bees were not harmed in the process of harvesting (potentially getting crushed by the honeycomb frames, for example) or in the process of controlling the colony (like clipping the queen's wings).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Do you personally grow everything you eat? If not, animals (and humans) are absolutely harmed in the process. Commercial agriculture, even organic, kills huge numbers of small animals and destroys habitat just to prepare the soil, not to mention all the insects killed by pesticides. Farmers will also kill deer, wild pigs, birds, etc. to protect their crops. And agriculture in some places still relies on child and/or slave labor.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You are correct. There is more that i can and need to do. That still does not make it good to use honey.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey no wait you're supposed to throw your hands in the air and just eat industrially farmed animal corpses because there are also negative outcomes of vegetable production so obviously the two are completely equivalent

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nice strawman, strawberry. The point is that avoiding honey to reduce possible harm is vain at best.

But since you want to talk about meat, I'm curious about your opinion of hunting.

Do you know how animals die in the wild? The lucky ones get hit by a car and die instantly. The rest die from disease and starvation, both agonizing slow deaths, or they are literally eaten alive by predators.

If the aim of veganism is to reduce animal suffering, surely you would support ethical hunting, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

the goal of veganism is to reduce animal exploitation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you avoid all sugar products, or just honey?

Sugar growing also kills animals. You cannot avoid all harm, so why discount honey for the harm you know, but not discounting harm from growing sugar?

Reducing harm, sure, but it seems selective to discount honey for small amount of harm, when other things you (assumed) eat do equal (potentially unknown to you) harm.

Do you need to know every process of growing/transporting something to eat it? Or does you list of edible products shrink as you learn every new form of harm?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

The list of edible products shrink as I learn of new harm. As a modern human, I am addicted to sugar, but I do need to make more of an effort to use less of it, as well as lessen the impact of what I do use.

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