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[–] [email protected] 81 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Inmate number is most appropriate

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

no exceptions

William Henry Harrison?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

Especially him. Couldn't even finish his first year. Slacker.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

This one I can get behind.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Emily Post says:

When addressing a former President of the United States in a formal setting, the correct form is “Mr. LastName.” (“President LastName” or “Mr. President” are terms reserved for the current head of state.) This is true for other ex-officials, as well. When talking about the person to a third party, on the other hand, it’s appropriate to say, “former President LastName.” This holds for introductions, as well: A current state governor is introduced as “Governor Tom Smith,” while you’d introduce an ex-governor as “former Governor Jim Bell.”

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And from an embassy’s official page:

Addressing Former Presidents

When sending letters to former Presidents, the proper form for addressing the envelope is: The Honorable (President’s name)

The proper form for the salutation in the letter is: Dear Mr. (President’s last name)

But I vaguely remember military training suggesting that using President Name was a correct term when referring to former presidents. Possibly not though, and I didn’t work in protocol, so the state department seems like a pretty good resource.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

It reads to me like they’re just avoiding repeating “former” over and over. It’s already established it’s the former president earlier in the text.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 months ago

The Defendant

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I believe “Cunt” applies to the last one. Mr or President, take your pick.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Mr Cunt? I like it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

Depends on if he’s a demented rapist traitor or not.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

Hey asshole!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The current President is "President ".

Former presidents are "Mr. " or "Former President " depending on the context in which they are being referred to.

Anybody still calling Obama or Trump "president" are just virtue signaling.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If it's Donald Trump, the proper way to address him is:

🖕🖕

Everyone else is "Mr. President."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

:stares in Australian:

We don't address people by their job title here, and we'd laugh in your face if you insisted on it.

Perhaps a small exception for 'doctor', but that's acknowledging the doctorate, not the job.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We do, but only for the current PM. Once you're out though, it's back to Mr / Ms

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

If you think the words 'prime minister Morrison' would ever have passed my lips...

... or 'prime minister Albo' for that matter, they're all overgrown fucking real estate agents.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yet the idea underpinning it is sound. It's to separate the office from the individual. If you attach reverence to the role, not the person, you make it easier to change the person and avoid dictatorship.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't read that way to me - I see it far more as "you have won at life, you are better than other humans", exactly the kind of thing narcissists crave.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Not if the alternative is that people begin to see the role and the person as the same thing. That's the dream of every would-be dictator. A certain chancellor of Germany knew this very well in 1934 when he abolished the titles of Chancellor and President and made the army swear its oath to him personally.

This is just standard political theory: to protect democracy, respect its institutions. Absolutely does make sense to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I find using doctor without a medical degree to be, I dunno, crass. Its the old. IS THERE A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE. Im a doctor. thank god can you help this man. of philosophy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Eh, you earn the title by doing your thesis and expanding humanity's sphere of knowledge a little bit. Medical doctors may claim it but they don't get exclusive rights to it just because they want it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

oh sure. not saying they earned it but I find the ones who get one and actually want to use the title to be folks I don't vibe as well with. I do tend toward academia though so there is professor in that case.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (4 children)

depends. normally "former president X", but if they have been impeached then you say "IMPEACHED former president X" unless they lost the popular vote then its "UNPOPULAR IMPEACHED former president X" unless they lost an election like a one termer then its "ONE TERM LOSER UNPOPULAR IMPEACHED former president X". Its important to be accurate.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We may soon be able to tack CONVICTED FELON onto that list.

If it's too unwieldy after that, perhaps just use their prisoner ID number.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

President Felonius Trump.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Unpopular, impeached, sex offender former president

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Too long. Loser or inmate # are appropriate.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

I'm partial to

Hey! Bitch!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

However they wish to be addressed. Nothing in properness or etiquette is necessarily objective. If I was president, I'd let you use my actual name.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

You're welcome (and there is some flexibility there).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

In Finland, even former presidents are addressed as President so and so.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Depends on the context and how conservative you are (in the sense of tradition for tradition, not politics or anything else). Tradition holds that you call someone at that level of elected office by their previous title. If you want to break with tradition, you can call them whatever you want. You didn’t sign any legally binding agreements that say you have to call someone a fancy title. This holds for judges, doctors, and other people that think random chance and living their life gives them a special name that you don’t get.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

“2020 election loser”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Depends on the president. The current one I'd go with "heya Joe" but the former one I'd go with "hey jackass."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Individual 1

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I know it's not "correct" but I would just call them Mr/Mrs, they aren't president any more.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

IIRC customarily a former president of the United States of America is still addressed as, “Mr. President.” In written form such as a news article I think it would be “former-president Clinton” or “former-president George H. W. Bush” if you need to distinguish between two presidents with the same last name, and subsequent references would be to “Mr. Clinton” or “Mr. Bush” as long as there’s no ambiguity, but I would defer to whatever style guide applies to your writing. I’m pretty sure that’s covered in the AP Stylebook and that’s as good an authority as any for US English. I have an old copy somewhere but it’s not easily accessible right now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

War criminal

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Mr president. Unless it's 45, in which case you may start with insurrectionist rapist criminal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I address current president as Mr. so the question is kinda moot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Traditionally it should be a kick to the groin but in these less formal times a middle finger or simple "fuck off" is perfectly acceptable.

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