Was there a formal declaration? Was there escalation? Just trying to understand what changed since yesterday
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Not yet, but seemingly Pak is interested in escalations.
It's strange, or? Where we normal people are trying to get on with our lives, our government decides to wage war with some other country, where normal people are also just trying to get on with their lives.
No one wants war, besides people selling missiles, bombs, tanks, guns, etc
As part of the constitution that was imposed on them when the US rebooted their government following WWII, Japan can't activate its military except in self defense.
Their politicians have been complaining about that and trying to get rid of it for decades now, but in my opinion every country should have such a provision. Any sane politician claims they wouldn't use the military unless some else attacked first, so why give them the option at all?
There are far more that want war. Even people that would have nothing to gain but everything to lose from a war.
Send them to the front and let the problem solve itself.
The issue lies with where the sentiment comes from. Most of the time it originates from politicians who, unable to solve local problems, choose to demonize a part of society or another country in order to get away with their failures and the riches/power this enables them to grab.
I don't think the people who sell or make weapons want/provoke war (especially), it's always the dictators or autocrats who do it. Always. Always. Always.
The people who make and sell weapons absolutely do want war. Nations at war need to keep replenishing their stockpiles whereas nations at peace burn through much less. You can use a tank many times in drills but when it's blown up for real, you aren't reusing it.
The dictators and autocrats also want war, but they have their own reason: war distracts people from issues at home. If they can't have a real war, they manufacture an internal enemy instead. Sometimes they do both.
So swedish SAAB is actively trying to provoke wars around the world?
What about BAE systems?
Yeah not really. Or show me proofs of the the reverse.
Or is it the old USA bad + conspiracy theories?
I said want, not provoke. Getting caught actively provoking war would instantly end a corporation in many jurisdictions. I have no proof of them doing that, but I also wouldn't be surprised if some do. SAAB? Probably not. American ones at least can easily affect policy by financing politicians, particularly presidents.
From a solely pessimistic point of view, you're right to be scared. This is a war between two nuclear powers and it can get real ugly in the worst case scenario.
But as long as it's kept a strategic war focused on border bickerings and damaging each other's economic ability, civilians should be safe in the most part.
I'd recommend channeling the fear into activism towards peace. If you are willing and able, get together with others and pressure your government with large protests against the war. If not, then stay safe.
Civilians live at the borders too though
Wish you a lot of strength and hope you stay safe! It’s understandable that you’re concerned and scared, as this is a dangerous situation. Wish I could say anything else but just want you to know that I hope this will be over soon and cause no more suffering or losses.
I hope you and your loved ones stay safe and well.
india is so badly governed that it is sad. once a country of mystery and spices, now a very backwards dirty place. i really have no clue what could make india grow in things like equality. does india at least understand the annex of kashmir was not in the interest of the people that live there but the decision of one ruler only? this is not going to end well for india. but i am sure modi knows best,lol
once a country of mystery and spices
That's comes across as a bit orientalist, friend
india is so badly governed that it is sad. once a country of mystery and spices, now a very backwards dirty place. i really have no clue what could make india grow in things like equality.
Well, they had great teachers, the british empire taught them well.
I'm sorry this is happening to you. There's too much war in the world and not enough leaders that act responsibly. Hope you stay safe, internet stranger-friend.
May I ask where in India you live?
A don't really have a whole lot of insight or comforting words, but I have to admit that my scandinavian ass is leaning towards "It's not the first time. Cooler heads tend to prevail"
Capital of India:Delhi. No too far away or close to the border. But it's capital so yeah I am scared.
Always thought WW3 would be the USA russia or china launching the first nuke.. hope these two knuckleheads can keep their radioactive dicks in their pants so the rest of the world doesnt go down with them..
Been 25 years since the last one, ask China to stop paying them.
Interestingly, India-Pakistan war was one of the top WWIII scenarios mentioned in the movie War Games (1983) - #8: https://ww31987.wordpress.com/2022/03/05/wargames-joshuas-nuclear-war-scenarios-1-59/
Would a nuclear exchange between these two countries drag the rest of the nuclear powers into the conflict?
China sure won't sit by while people are lobbing nukes at countries on their borders.
They're not NATO countries, so I doubt it
Sorry for you 😔
Ugh, I'm sorry. It feels like the whole world is coming apart at the seams. My country did some terrible things recently, but I hope we will all trend in a better direction soon.
There really are very few governments today that inspire hope for the future. Everywhere politicians all seem to be focused on short-term personal enrichment and staying in power by appealing to their people's lowest urges. If we get through this period, it will be in spite of our leaders not because of them.
We're all here for you every step of the way.
Good luck, im sending you strength and courage for the times to come. As others may have said, you might want to look for communities and association, and people in general : solidarity can be crucial in hard times
I’m so sorry to hear this/see this unfolding on the global stage. Would love to hear more of your thoughts on this, if you’re willing to share