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Extreme punitive measures from the police and carceral organs of the state will not solve misogynistic violence. I’m glad people are fired up about the problem but this is the wrong approach. It’s been tried 1000 times for other things and it never works.
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For a country like Italy, it will also require a cultural shift. I know they love their macho style hombres but that comes with a downside. I dunno, start at schools perhaps, where you can teach children from little to big on how they should interact together?
The exact same goes for Mexico
But it works well for public opinion, which is what politicians care about most, unfortunately
Italy probably has a different culture. Maybe it will work there, or they'll learn the hard way.
But it will take the people who commit violence against women off the street. There are times when prison is not about rehabilitation its simply about removing danger.
Isolation is the one part of the carceral system that does have some effect, but I don’t think it’s the best way to achieve even that part.
I guess I don’t know the previous situation in Italy with regards to this issue. Was there a large number of people getting caught for these offenses and then released? Because killing someone and locking them up for 20 years is basically just as good from the perspective of separating victim and offender. It would be better to focus on consistent investigation and capture than on harsher penalties.
Or on programs that work to prevent violence in the first place. But we would only pursue those if we cared more about helping potential victims than about hurting offenders. That doesn’t seem to be the priority for most people.
They're not looking to prevent violence they're looking to isolate violence.
Prison has never and will never be a deterrence
"It is often said 'not all men'. But they are always men." Elena, sister of 22-year-old Italian Giulia Cecchettin who was brutally murdered by her former boyfriend.
That's a very hyperbolic statement, and studies suggest about a quarter of spousal murders are committed by women. Closer to 3 in 8 in America.
When you say “studies suggest” whose studies are you referring to? Are these peer reviewed studies? I find your “facts” hard to believe at face value.
3 out of 8 is a weird way to present a static. Kinda a red flag for spotting anyone trying to push a narrative. There's more than enough data on this to present information in solid percentages or when dealing with population numbers of a society in the millions to billions people in base 10 numbers. 1:10, 1:100, 1:1000... 3 out of 8?! Like what was your sample size? 8?!
It's possible for it to always be men yet still not apply to all men.
Shocker, I know.
Some of these people need a remedial English course.
Some of these people probably said that in Italian anyways.
And I don't expect that kind of nuance from someone whose sister just got murdered.
OP, just trying to understand and learn. Why are all your posts fear and rage inducing? All your posts are less than two days old and all of them are articles about problematic topics.
All my posts are not 2 days old, and I posted a good news story today.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/35507046
I appreciate your posts, keep it up!
Thanks. :)
I was hoping lemmy would be free of these misogynistic mobs. I think these guys just proved your point. They presented no evidence or peer reviewed studies back up their made up facts. Femicide and rape culture is a huge problem worldwide. This mobbing of women online is part of the problem.
I saw only one user in this thread try to respond with an unspecified “studies say”. How is that a “mob”?
I’ve seen men enable violence against women my entire life. Bye Felicia
You didn’t really address my question (how is one person equal to a “mob”), and it seems like you’re using a similar type of anecdote to the one you are complaining about—no source, all personal impression. I’m not trying to be contrarian for the heck of it, I just don’t think you’re making a much better argument than the one you are speaking against.