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Murders of two female students prompt calls for a ‘cultural rebellion’ in Italy
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 03 Apr 2025
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This is about Italy, not America. Social norms and mores differ.
Well, I guess if only one in four of these "always men" are women, that doesn't count.
Of course it's not all men, but there are enough men who kill women for no reason that it's a problem ... especially when the 'good' men stand around and do nothing to stop it.
If you don't want to be lumped in with all men, good for you. Then say something when men start making dumb blonde jokes, or kid around about beating women until the listen/obey.
That's a big leap... Dumb blonde to beating women.
While studiously ignoring 25% of the problem. Gotcha.
Using whataboutism to studiously ignore the issue at hand.
It truly is 'all men' when it comes to a discussion about femicide.
Just FYI, you're arguing with someone that agrees with you.
I agree with you too, but only about your main point. Not "all men."
That assumption is the same logic as bigots and the very "men" you are trying to chastize. Let me just rephrase what you wrote to make my point:
You literally are using the same arguments that incels do to justify their hatred and punishment of women.
Just changing the who and what in that argument does not make it a logically sound one.
Anecdotally, I'm a man, and one that has literally saved a woman from being arrested for assault because I recognized she was having an extreme bipolar manic episode, and not just "going crazy" like her female friends believed when they called the cops on her.
The belief our penis prevents us from acting humane is laughable bigotry.
If you want to make a scientific point, don't follow it with unscientific insults.
So we have a problem that is done by a tiny minority of one demographic, and a third as many of the population that aren't part of that demographic, yet you insist that demographic is the key factor in the problem at hand, and I'm supposed to believe I, who haven't committed this act, am a part of the problem.
If you want to keep believing that the core issue is that men (or generally people with high testosterone) tend to be more violent, is the key issue, and not that there are people of either gender who wish to treat others as objects and believe their feelings are more important than other people's well-being, well, who am I to stop you? But you might find it easier to teach people that other people have agency and as many rights as them than you will trying to teach men that being a man is a problem. And you might reach 33% more people at risk of engaging in spousal violence than if you just look at men.
As for the whataboutism, I'm speaking of spousal violence, in which you and the person in the article seem to believe only happens in one direction in any significant amount.
The hell? You're the one who was saying "it's always men," then when presented with evidence to the contrary, you scream "whataboutism"?
You're not helping your cause here, bud.
No evidence has been presented
Wrong. Evidence was presented showing it's 1/5th of women in Italy.
Are there usually good men standing around at the scene of a murder?
Here it is, guys. They want to make it our fault that other people commit murder.