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Germany’s centre-Right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party and the centre-Left Social Democrats (SPD), which are holding coalition talks, have proposed a law that will block people with multiple extremism convictions from standing in elections.

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[–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Wake us up when it's "have".

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 5 points 3 days ago

They're not gonna

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 113 points 5 days ago (16 children)

Maybe also consider bribery convictions and we might get rid of a few CDU/CSU politicians as well πŸ™ƒ

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[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 107 points 5 days ago (13 children)

This will 100% be used to suppress left politicians.

Just ban the fucking AfD already.

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[–] Metz@lemmy.world 58 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I love how the commenters on that page hating all on the "far-left", despite the left has exactly nothing to do with that idea. dumb fucks as far one can see.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 28 points 5 days ago

It's classic whataboutism and trying to draw false equivalencies to muddy the waters. They want to put everyone else on defense about the decision to ban Nazis by making you waste time explaining why someone else isn't a Nazi.

To sum up: fuck them. Nazis are bad. Please continue punching them, both metaphorically, legally, and physically as needed to keep them in their hidey holes.

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[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 4 days ago

Yes we could, but the inner security is stalling the investigation and the conservatives and liberals think they could get the nazi votes and lean heavily into the rethorik. Yeaaah doesnt work out. Never did

They know too well what happens when you let these fuckers get power.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Do it. Honestly I'm a little surprised you didn't do it 80 years ago

[–] kungfuratte@feddit.org 12 points 4 days ago

In a way we did. Anticonstitutional parties are generally not allowed. The problem is that courts and judges must be absolutely convinced that a party is anticonstitutional to actually ban them.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 4 days ago

Does this have more backing than the motion to ban the AfD entirely did?

[–] Disaster@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Then they'll ban far left politicians from running.

Then they'll ban anyone they don't like.

And eventually, they'll ban everyone who isn't them.

Right wing lunatics are repulsive in almost every sense, but this isn't the way you beat them. When you put the machinery in place to do something like this, it will inevitably be abused in the opposite direction in future.

[–] misteloct@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's much harder to be abused when you ban the only party abusing it.

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[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Greece did something similar a few years ago.

The Golden Dawn far right wing party was declared a criminal organization (after some violence that lead to a few stabbings and at least one death) and their leaders were thrown in jail.

From the ashes of Golden Dawn and a few other populist/Christian conservative/nationalist parties rose a few new ones, with more careful rhetoric and open support from the now jailed golden dawn leaders and high ranking church ministers.

They are collectively holding 26 of the 300 seats in the parliament and are expected to get better results on the next election cycle.

You can ban them all you want, they can still reform into a "we are not far right, wink wink" party after the ban itself verifies their far right status and rise to power all the same.

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 35 points 5 days ago (7 children)

A party ban in germany results also in a pohibition to form follow up parties. That's why we should aim for the party and not single members

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[–] superkret@feddit.org 26 points 5 days ago (3 children)

You can ban them all you want, they can still reform

Then make them do that work.
And investigate any ties between the banned party and the new one. Ban the new one as well, if they're just the same people with a new name.
Every time they are forced to rename and reform, that's effort they can't use to further their other goals.
Every time they need to "wink wink" a little harder, they risk losing part of their extremist base.
Make them do the work!

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[–] segabased@lemmy.zip 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This absolutely needs to be a thing in every country. Ban far right parties, ban far right media

Considering the CDU could be considered a far right party themselves, they just wanna eliminate their competition, so i wouldn't get my hopes up.

They literaly had an election poster with the slogan "You don't have to vote for the AfD to get what you want. There is a democratic alternative: the CDU!".

As long as privately owned press and corporate social media algorithms try to shift the overton window as far right as it can go that's not gonna happen.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago (10 children)

The big issue with any form of attempted suppression will not suddenly sway their voters. It would be much smarter to not give people a reason to fall for populists.

But that would be too easy, I guess.

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

But that would be too easy, I guess.

It's absolutely not easy at all. Afd acts like a cult, getting people de-radicalized will take a lot of effort. And politics that emphasizes societal solidarity and education about democracy, culture, etc.; instead we have gonservatives gutting funding for all of these topics.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You seem to think that everyone who is voting for the AfD is radicalized, which couldn't be further from the truth. Many people who voted for them just saw it as the only option for change. We had CDU/SPD for over a decade where the standard of living declined constantly, then we had red yellow green which tanked it completely - that's almost every party we have available on a national level. The only options are left and AfD, and I'm gonna be honest, the left does not sound appealing to people who understand economics.

Knocking the AfD down to sub 10% would be rather simple - politics just has to shift into a direction where it's pro-population, not pro-top1%. Plenty of stuff could be done to ease the economic pressure of the population, but they rather ensure that people stay at the right I guess.

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago

Many people who voted for them just saw it as the only option for change.

You're right, these change-for-change's sake people do exist. And I don't know what to say to them, except maybe that if they just excitement in their lives, going bungee-jumping might be better than voting neonazis into power. Their existence seems like a failure of political education too.

But, there's another, probably much larger group of people who were sucked into propaganda channels that run divide & conquer strategies on society. Much like the change-people, they are barely political but they can be mobilized by irrational fears, like Lidl selling chocolate bunnies being a precursor for their own forced islamization.

In your post, the combination of this "The only options are [...] AfD" and this "politics just has to shift into a direction where it's pro-population, not pro-top1%."

... is utterly baffling. Right-wing parties, AfD, Fdp, CxU, etc., are quite explicitly pro-special interest, not pro-populace. The further right, the more special the interests. And sure, these parties claim they are proposing common-sense "non-ideological" "sane" ideas while actually ignoring science, ignoring precedent, ignoring negative outcomes for society. That's their whole MO. If you don't want the 1% to profit, then maybe just don't vote anything right of the SPD (and even SPD is a questionable choice in that regard).

the left does not sound appealing to people who understand economics.

Interestingly enough, the economic proposals contained in the last election platform of the Left party were the most financially solid among all parties in that election (as detailed by multiple institutes, e.g. ZEW [de-DE]). The Left were the only party where the state was least burdened with unexplained money outflow that would be prohibited under the debt brake.

Is it possible that by "people who understand economics" you mean the group of people that currently profits from existing inequality? I.e. the 1%ers and the 10%ers. Because that's the people who would "suffer" from the Left's proposals (actually, while they'd make less money, they'd most likely live in a much more physically secure society).

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Less inequality and better education are really the only solution.

People reach for extremism when they feel let down by the existing system.

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[–] Pippipartner@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 5 days ago (3 children)

That's astonishing bullshit. There is already a process for ban political parties with political alignments incompatible with the constitution, which has to be initialized by o e of the two chambers of parliament and decided by the constitutional court. Having a political instrument in addition to that will automatically reduce the hurdle of dismantling political movements, for blurry definitions of "sufficient amount of extremists in a party".

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[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

The CDU thinks they will get their votes but they won't.

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