Even if you believe that horrible people don't deserve due process, you cannot determine that without due process.
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Martell-Lebron was, in fact, Juan Carlos Baez, 49, a Dominican national in the U.S. illegally since 2000
So even if you’re a legal non-Spanish person, they will give you a Spanish name and say you’re illegal
ICE told Newsweek
You left this important part of the quote. And no where in the article does it provide any proof of that claim, for anyone wondering.
This feels like a gag out of Family Guy or South Park or something. Good thing people are protesting!
NO TRIAL FOR YOU.
Why didn't the bailiff stop the kidnapping? Isn't he armed for this reason?
The headline is misleading, he was picked up as he left the building his trial was continuing to the next day.
It was right outside the courtroom. Since there are breaks and sometimes multi day trials, there are ways a defendant could be "in the middle of a trial" and not be in the actual courtroom, where the bailiff would be.
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You dropped this. Funny, this is the second one I've picked up today.
Unlawful arrests lead to people fighting back, and officers getting hurt. Not a good direction to be going.
Sure would suck if the ICE agent, Brian Sullivan, who was held in contempt by the judge and for whom a bench warrant was issued, was beaten with a bat until compliant with being arrested and dragged into custody. Would just be a travesty.
Ice officers deserve worse than just to be hurt tbf
People fighting back vs. The police that has tanks... TiananMcDonals...
That's some revolutionary war style tactics. Warfare has changed.
IDK, the second half of that first sentence sounds like a good thing, and long overdue
So the message is ...... if you are contacted by any law or legal service in the US .... hide and disappear, don't take part in anything to do with government or law enforcement.
Great work America ... a few more steps and it will become a completely lawless country.
🌍🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀 always has been
lol .... I never comment on emojis but these were funny
Oh there will be law. Just not the law we're used to.
No way those denied a legal path will turn to organized crime. Unpossible!
/s
Copied my comment from an earlier link to this article:
So the guy who got picked up is currently detained without charge, after having his original charges dismissed. Brian Sullivan, the ICE agent, was held in contempt, which might turn into a charge, and is currently free.
Certainly sounds like Brian Sullivan is enjoying his due process while denying others theirs.
I don't care how evil you are what you did. You deserve due process as that is a basic human right.
We need rule of law especially now more than ever
That's the thing people seem to miss (although they seem to be coming around a bit). What you did or how evil you are can only be determined by due process.
What you did or how evil you are can only be determined by due process.
Yes. Without due process for everyone, no American is 'innocent until proven guilty'. You are guilty until they decide otherwise.
Without due process for everyone, no ~~American~~ person is 'innocent until proven guilty'.
FTFY
It's amazing how many people think you need to be a citizen of the US to have due process.
We are in agreement. Either everyone has the right to due process, or there is no due process at all.
So plain clothes guys can just abduct people in courtrooms now?
Yes but the judge will be MIFFED and do nothing.
Until that judge gets detained for having a foreign sounding name.
Funny you should put it like that...
“You all could’ve picked me up on Saturday and thrown me on a plane, thinking I’m a member of Tren de Aragua and given me no chance to protest it,” the judge said.
All of America ran on the assumption that people played along with the system and trump et al. Called the bluff by openly and shamelessly breaking the rules and watching as nothing was done about it. First the rules of decorum, then the law once they normalized it.
They didn't quote the judge but he is fucking torqued off.
What can be done?
Literally 2nd amendment.
- If they don't identify themselves: right to bear arms and self defense.
- If they do, they fit clearly under the "tyranny" part of the same amendment.
Police should probably be arresting kidnappers..
I'll tell you exactly what can be done.
Sullivan described a tense scene in which ICE agents pounced on Martell-Lebron without identifying themselves, put him into a pickup and sped away.
SHOOT. THEM.
I'm not being a keyboard tough guy here. My wife is a legal immigrant, and damningly brown. This is a thing I've thought about quite a bit.
Unidentified men try to snatch her or get in my house? They are getting killed, best I can. And yes, I'll likely die as well. I'm at peace with that, as much as I can be. Terror has a way of flipping the table on even the best laid plans.
I almost always have a pistol, rifle or shotgun within reach, and only those guns that are rock solid and with which I practice, and I practice one to three times a week. I'm also prepared for night fighting, quick. Rarely carry except in the woods or somewhere strange I'm unsure about, but that's going to change. (And I fucking hate it.)
And it's not just ICE. Been saying for years that once MAGA truly gets the idea that the law does not apply to them, they'll be forming posses. Perhaps we will call them Red Shirts.
FFS, it's like no one really studied WWII in Europe. This is happening now. Trump dying will probably take the air out of the whole thing, I hope. But if he remains in power long enough, his people will have strengthened their situation. You know they're planning for what to do if he keels over with a blown heart.
(Sorry for the rant. Just got home from work and "relaxing".)
Unironically. If I were in a situation like this, I don't care about laws. I'd be defending my family with lethal force if needs be. It's not terrorism. It's loyalty to and protecting my family over my loyalty to the Crown. Easy choice. Defending your family is also "mega based and tradpilled".
Depending on where you are, laws will even protect you.
In Indiana, our castle laws are pretty wide reaching. You are allowed to defend your property, person, and even other people (including strangers) with appropriate force (up to lethal force) from anyone. Including the police. Now of course, that won't stop them from shooting back, but it's within your legal right.
Now, I am not a lawyer. But I did go through my state's CCW course and I do quite a bit with my local Pink Pistol group so I have a decent grasp on the relevant laws. But do not use this comment as a legal defense haha
Castle and stand your ground laws also apply to you shooting police who do not properly identify themselves. Even more applicable in this scenario.
I'm with you. Motherfuckers going die coming for me. If more of us resist this way they may rethink this tatic.
We have tried nothing and already ran out of ideas.
Well at least we gave it our best
Those Brownshirts BETTER be Careful! Otherwise the Judge will send a VERY STERN LETTER because that's ALL Judges in the US do nowadays!
"I can't believe that you could break the law like this, ICE, especially as law enforcement officers. Honestly, you should know better than to disappear political opponents of the President's global policy, and people with tenuous residency status without so much as a hearing. I'm very disappointed in you, Mister."
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If there were stats on emoticon usage, this one has to have skyrocketed straight up.
Jack boot thugs
ICE is jerks.