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Al Gore To Leave Apple Board After 21-Year Run; Company Reveals CEO Tim Cook’s Pay Dropped 36% In 2023 After Shareholder Pressure::Former Vice President Al Gore will exit Apple's board of directors, the company said in an SEC filing that also revealed a pay drop for CEO Tim Cook.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 9 months ago

TIL he was on the board.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago (4 children)

AI Gore? AI generated gore? How did apple have access to this technology for 21 years? And why would they generate gore? Just why?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Al Gore. That is, A L G O R E

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

AI Gore and AL Gore are two very different things.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

AI as A1 steak sauce or AL as Alabama?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I think movies in the horror and gore genre but made by ai

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

It was always there, but we've long ignored the warnings. It invented the Internet, which we took for granted. It wasn't until Gore seeped through a series of tubes that we realized, but by then it was too late.

It had already taken over the windmills.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

I can only imagine the horrors AI Gore can generate.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Really cant you distinguish AI and Al?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

They look identical in most fonts, which is a huge problem for my open source project to simulate the former Vice President. It's called: OpenAl.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Wait, the guy who claimed to be for the environment was on the board of a company that contributes unnecessary e-waste by not allowing their hardware to last its rightful lifespan?? Wish I could say I was shocked...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

You say that, meanwhile Apple is the benchmark in providing software updates and support for their devices. Just a few years ago, Android manufacturers were not even providing 2 years of updates.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Both are bad, Apple needs to stop the parts locking (like not being able to use all the features on a replaced screen without their approval), and Android companies have to be better about giving support for their phones.

Keep both accountable, let's leave the console wars bs in 2008.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I agree, and I am not here trying to start some Apple vs Android war. My comparison was just to give some perspective on the competition.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The thing is, there is no one monolithic competition called "Android", it's a host of vendors and manufacturers that have agreed on a common operating system. You will see a great amount of variation between all the different Android OEMs, variation that also affects software support.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

We need a third option.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

yeah, that green company that artificially impedes reusing parts by firmware.

the very same company that sells premium laptops with not upgradeable 8 GB of RAM. The very same company which sells laptops in which even the SSD is soldered, so when it dies or when it is full (the base model is 256 GB and they make you pay a big premium for more) you have to replace the whole thing.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Is 8GB RAM laptop even relevant to this discussion? You seem to be going off on the “Apple doesn’t provide enough RAM with their base models” rant which is a completely different discussion. Regarding soldering the SSD, many manufacturers do it and it’s certainly not good practice for the environment.

I never said Apple is the greenest company in existence but they are also not the worst like the original company implied and they are certainly not forcing early retirement of their products. On the contrary they are doing the opposite by providing software support even 5-6 years after purchase.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

8GB laptops are pretty much ewaste outside of Chromebooks. That's why it's relevant to the "green" discussion

E: lol the person below made a whiny comment essentially saying Apple has magic RAM and then blocked me so I can't reply. Am I back on Reddit or something?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

no, not that many companies solder the SSD. The RAM? yeah, it's widespread now. But you can still find laptops with upgradeable RAM. The SSD has been replaceable in most laptops.

And yes, the 8GB RAM is very relevant to the discussion, because for the same price every other manufacturer is offering at the very least 16GB, in most cases 32GB and in some 64GB.

8GB macbooks will be rendered obsolete way sooner than 16GB laptops. That's ewaste for you.

they are also not the worst

I'd argue that they are very close to that title, given their marketshare.

Sure, you have years of software support. Great. Did the hardware survive that long? Do you need any repair? Because they won't allow third party spare parts so it would be a shame if you needed one.

Also, the software support desktop, Linux has not a limited amount of years of support, it could revive perfectly good hardware that Apple doesn't support anymore and they deliberately make it difficult to install.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Linux mint that handles 4GB pretty well. But the majority will toss old stuff away when Windows gets painful to use.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Linux Mint does yeah. Browsers? Not for long. Give it a few years and browsers might require 16GB of RAM to run.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Windows alone took almost all, Mint takes half or so. So I do get a better experience just surfing in Firefox. I can even run Onshape

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Yes but the android phone will still work fine for at least the next decade and all apps on the play store will still work on that phone for the next decade.

On apple, if you never update your phone, eventually you won't be able to update or install apps because they require a version on iOS you're not on. We don't have this problem on android. Most android apps can run on Android 6 and up.

We are now on Android 14. 6 was a very long time ago.....

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My 2013 MacBook Pro is running Linux and kicking ass. So, although they dropped os upgrades after 7 years, I think it says a lot about their desktops. The same cannot be said with their iOS devices, as I have an iPod Touch V1 that could be put to good use if only I could run Ubuntu touch.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Literally any PC made in the last decade will run Linux like a champ. It has nothing to do with it being made by Apple

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

That is specifically not true of Apple. They don't make drivers for Linux, and often change components which means there are several Apple devices that are really hard to run Linux on. The touchbar MacBooks are a nightmare for Linux, and the ARM Macs are slowly getting support, but it is sub par last I looked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’m referring to the quality of their hardware

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Hardware is the same across the board. PC's have equally good hardware.. Literally only the aluminium body is still unique to apple but the internal components are the same as any other OEM.

I work in IT, so I've seen alot of hardware from many OEMs including Apple.

I've had 15+ year old PCs running XP on the same box and still being used daily to run a CNC machine... They can't be replaced because the software was never updated by the developer to run on anything else. But the hardware is rock solid.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

About 50% of Apple revenue comes from iPhones. So if an iphone sells less then expected it's a big impact on the company and stock price. The iPhone 15 was OK, but not innovative or interesting enough for people to ditch the previous one and get a new phone.

Also investors really look at future growth, so when the main product they sell shows signs that the end of growth has been reached they are not happy.

In reality the only thing that has unlimited growth is cancer, I just like to add this...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

On the contrary, it has one of the biggest possible changes: USB-C.

I suspect that causes some hesitancy among less tech-savvy users, or users with a lot of peripherals.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I suspect most people simply don't care. "USB-C everything" exists in a tech bubble, outside of this bubble many don't even know what port their phone uses. Most of the time when I was asked for a charging cable and asked which one they needed, they either said "iPhone", "Samsung" or whatever or just showed me the port.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe he failed to meet expectations?

It’s to my understanding that these shareholders expect constant growth to continue to increase the returns on their investment.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

“Your customers still trust you with their data and you haven’t even started selling it yet.”

-shareholders, probably

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

not despised, but i think the Apple Watch injunction really hurt them because it was around the holiday season. That, and the general consumer pretty much knew there wasn't anything new with the new iPhone that warranted an upgrade. Even my rich, boomer dad said he didn't see why it would be worth it to upgrade and he always gets the newest models.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

If they released one every 3 or 4 years, I’d buy them all, but they’re just such small bumps in tech that I end up just sticking to what I’ve got. I bought the 15 and did that Apple courier thing where they bring it to you like door dash. It was Black Friday and $9, so it seemed like a deal. The driver stole it. So, that rubbed me wrong and I’m gonna wait for the 16.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It would be nice if the US government also had a rule prohibiting those 75 and older from running in elections.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I disagree. Ageism is morally wrong. (We should also remove the age floor from positions.)

That being said, an independently operated competency test for candidacy sure seems reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

We definitely should have a cap and floor on important governmental positions regardless of anything to do with ageism. Objectively speaking, the body changes significantly as we age, and neither young people with their underdeveloped decision making centers, nor old people with reduced overall function and greatly reduced ability to learn and apply new concepts should be making important political decisions and be responsible for the well being of a nation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

I dont want to comment on one opinion over the other, just wondering how a system like this would work given the fact that the line where age typically takes a serious detrimental toll is both highly varied between individuals and also moving farther back (in theory at least) as medical technology and understanding progresses.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And all those complaints are not really about age, but mental capability. So we should measure what really counts instead of age.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Easier said than done. Mental capability and age, after a certain point, can’t be separated. Good luck holding high level elected officials accountable by fairly testing cognitive function on a regular basis.

Who’s going to decide “what really counts?” Who’s going to draw out fair guidelines that won’t be vulnerable to political agendas? Who’s going to test officials and who/what organization will be paying them? Who’s going to enforce it? A person or group with the ability to oust a sitting president based on private medical information? That’s a lot of power to also be exploited for personal gain.

If you can’t answer these questions then it wouldn’t work. In an idea world I’d agree with you, but a blanket age cap is the most fair, realistic solution for everyone.

I support an age ceiling and floor, but the real reason we’re dealing with this reality is people are currently willing to vote for visibly senile people instead of voting for younger candidates. We wouldn’t even need an age cap if people realized voting for 80 year olds isn’t a good idea.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Ageism exists because people above a certain age cannot keep up to the demands of the job. I am sure a lot of folk disagree here... but you would agree that old people's brains aren't as fast as young people and even old people experience can only hinder them in a world thats all but changed completely.

This test you speak of is how mostly it works now, but only inverted: reject the vast majority of old people... and only hire the outliers.