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Cross-posted from "If you could improve PeerTube, what would you improve?" by @[email protected] in [email protected]


What keeps you away from PeerTube? What features does PeerTube lack? If you were the developer of PeerTube, how would you improve it?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So many things:

  • A closed caption system like youtube. I’m deaf so 90% of peertube videos are just unwatchable to me.
  • A working mobile app.
  • An easy guide to instances that is clear on which instances are mainly local vids and which basically federate with everything. Ideally, a couple, lemmy.world, lemm.ee style peertube instances that are general purpose and kind of have everything I can direct people who want to join too.
  • A non-personalised algorithm. Ie. recommend similar high rated videos.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are probably already aware but YouTube's closed captions are very inaccurate. I'm sure it's better than nothing though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Yes it very much depends the video. But on slow paced standard english they tend to be okay, which is most the content I end up watching anyways.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Improve cross instance search and for more creators to move from other platforms

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Admins are able to add external search engines. Most use sepia search and it pretty much covers all the non-sketchy stuff.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I think it's mainly the content. We need some good content, creative people and interesting videos on the platform. Yeah and maybe discoverability. People also need to get those videos displayed/recommended to them. Other than that, a good app is always nice. That's already been worked on. But regarding the technology, I think Peertube works quite nicely these days. And it has a good amount of features as well.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The question is how to get the creators there. A lot of people are on YouTube because of the ad revenue, but with no ads on PeerTube there’s no revenue to share. A lot of other for-profit companies have tried to lure these creators away with little success, so I’m not sure how a non-profit service is supposed to attract people who have turned content creation into a career.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Right. OP didn't specify it has to be a technical shortcoming... or easy to solve. So I just said what I think is the biggest issue. Because I really think the platform itself, and the software are great. And still constantly improving.

I think this is really difficult to impossible to overcome. Other for-profit platforms have failed at this. Even the big players like Youtube, TikTok etc needed a huge pile of money, investors and an unethical business model to succeed. And I'm pretty sure we don't want that with PeerTube.

I think what we currectly, realistically can do is have a few big content creators do it for fun. And host their stuff on PeerTube. But that needs some other motivation than making money.

Ultimately, the majority of the worth or value of a platform like this isn't in the program code. But in the content and userbase. And I think that's where the focus needs to be when we want to grow or improve it for the potential users.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

For long-form video creators a Patreon like subscription service might work, but I very much agree with you that this is the main issue. Peertube works fine from the technical side of things.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Making some sort of monetization scheme in which creators are paid more per view than YouTube, would solve a lot.

Then creators might as well spend the extra couple of minutes to also upload to PeerTube, because they make more money per view there.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Search.

If I go to youtube, and I search for content, it's either there, or it's not.

If I go to peertube, I need to then exit the site, search on AN UNRELATED 3RD PARTY SITE, and then I can get results from more than the local instance.

If I go to an instance that's nothing but stamp collecting, the trending videos are going to be about stamp collecting. That doesn't mean all of peertube is talking about stamp collecting. I'm just on the wrong instance, and the site itself is fractured and borderline useless.

Now you can include a feature to tell peertube that you DO want to see trending, local only, as a stamp collector, on a stamp collecting instance, that would be really useful! But also, if I don't give a fuck about stamps, as mkst people don't, the default should be peertube wide trending across ALL instances. I mean, if I don't care about stamps I'm on the wrong instance to begin with, but that's besides the point.

I feel like peertube should be each instance is a different type of content. Want to watch guys go fishing? There's an instance just for that. With multiple different channels, each from different people, each covering different fishing topics. But your whole life isn't just one topic. So you go to a different instance, one for automobiles, and you follow the channels that post videos about your car. Then you go to a cooking instance, and find a channel that's just a guy showing you how to bake pies and cakes while running from the police.

Your searches, will 99% of the time not find the most relevant results if we seperate the content based on instance. So the search as is, is really limited and fragmented to have to go to another site, search, find the video, come back to peertube, log in, go to the video directly, and THEN subscribe to the content.

See how jarring that is, compared to youtube? Search, click, play/subscribe. All in 10 seconds.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Better algorithm and a better incentive to post content (im not sure what, maybe donations)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Some kind of Monetary-support system

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe Liberapay built-in? I’m sure a plugin could fix that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wish there was a libre one-time payment software

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Liberapay is centralized but it is open source.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But it uses Stripe & Paypal

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

It's mainly finding videos for me. I've been able to find a few interesting ones, but largely it's either difficult to find, or not there at all. I myself have actually been considering making some videos to help the content drought, but then the ideas, or knowledge of what people could be receptive to doesn't quite come.

also as a newpipe user, being able to search all of my selected instances at once, or with sepiasearch could be nice, but thats not up to peertube

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I tried it, but gave up months ago. Decentralization is what we're all about, but without a centralized index of what's available, finding videos on PeerTube is more work than watching them is worth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

There is an index maintained by Framasoft (devs of PeerTube), but it is something the servers need to enable. A lot don’t.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Multiple audio tracks for different languages.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Automatic subtitles. I know... Not the easiest functionality to develop but I do miss it from Youtube.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

VLC is adding AI generated subtitles, I wonder if it would be possible to co-opt that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

That would be nice.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Better federation with eachother, a way for monetisation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It would be nice if there was an easy and straightforward way for instances to create their own shared indexes. There's a feature for this in PeerTube, which I guess is supposed to act like instance following + a shared search catalogue. It would be handy to know how to easily make sort of the federation equivalent of a webring.

The devs are also working on a mobile app, which I think is something the platform is sorely missing.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I really liked the livestream feature that was on reddit a few years ago. Would be cool to have a fediverse version of that, where people could casually stream from their phones with just a peertube app.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The biggest thing is content and discoverability.

Any good channel recommendations?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think there are about 5 decent ones:

  • The Linux Experiment (tilvids)
  • Gardiner Bryant (subscribeto.me)
  • techlore (tilvids)
  • Veronica explains
  • fedihost
  • blender
  • transport evolved (peertube.tv)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Better federation and search. Make it easier for content creators and instance runners to monetize. Make it easier to script your own feed/recommendations.

All of the above is true for all software on the fediverse. But monetization especially for PeerTube. Pay to watch, donations and ads should all be options in the official implementation. Because of the high cost of running a large high bandwidth instance (if that wasn't obvious).

Seems like the only ones who really benefit from PeerTube right now are right-wing extremists. The only large Swedish instances are far-right. And they are big because of content supply and demand.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I would very much appreciate the ability to explore other instances and see what channels are hosted there from my own instance, instead of having to open the new instance in a new tab, then copy and paste the link to each interesting channel into my instance to be able to subscribe to it.

I wish there was a similar feature for Lemmy as well.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Maybe Librepay integration of some sort could help. Maybe that platform should be a little more ambitious and offer server operators and it's users in the fediverse better pricing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's surprising that there doesn't seem to be an obvious way in the UI to just see a list of creators/channels on a local instance. So, that's the first thing I'd change to improve discoverability.

The way I currently find relevant content is by going to Sepia Search, putting in exact words that I think are likely to be in the title of at least one video on a channel that would likely also have a lot of other relevant content, and then going through that channel's playlists. Those searches often lead me to single user instances with only one or two channels (e.g. a channel that has a backup of that user's YouTube content and a channel with a backup of their Twitch or OwnCast or whatever streams). When it leads me to a generalist instance or one with a relevant subject/theme though, I've had little luck finding content from anyone else unless they've posted recently (compared to other users). Often the content that is most relevant to me is not what is newest but the archives from years ago. (New content is relevant though once I want to follow someone in particular, but it's not what I want to see first.)

Another issue I've encountered is with the behavior of downloaded videos. I greatly appreciate that PeerTube provides a URL for direct download, and I prefer to watch videos in my own player downloaded in advance (so I can watch offline; pause and resume trivially after putting my computer to sleep; etc). H264 MP4 works fine for this, but the download seems to be some sort of chunked variant of it (for HLS?) which requires the player to read in the entire file to figure out the length or seek accurately. Having to wait a minute or two to be able to seek each time I open a large video file off my HDD is an irritating papercut. I suspect there's likely a way to fix it by including an index in the file (or in a sidecar file) but I don't know how to do it -- short of re-encoding the entire video again which I'd rather not do since it both takes a long time and can result in quality loss. This usually doesn't affect newly added videos (where the download link includes the pattern /download/web-videos and a warning is shown that it's still being transcoded) but does when that's done (the URL includes /download/streaming-playlists/hls/videos instead); so, this is something that happens as a result of PeerTube's reprocessing.

Downloads from the instances that I've found to be most relevant to me are also pretty unreliable (connection is slow and drops a lot), so I use wget with automatic retries (and it sometimes still needs manual retries...) rather than downloading through my browser which tends to fail and then often annoyingly start over completely if I request a retry... It would be really nice if I could check that I've downloaded the file correctly and completely with a sha256 hash or something.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Is the P2P component what makes or breaks this platform? It sounds like this is key to its success.

Are PT hosts also part of the P2P network? I could see hosting costs increase dramatically as a result of hosting popular content.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Better federation. The vidiverse search is just bad, i want to watch all types of content from my account.

And more general instances; i'm on spectra.video now, but as i said the vidiverse search sucks and it's not federated to enough instances :/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

There's Sepia Search, but I don't really understand why that's not just built into the Peertube UI itself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah :/ in some instances it is, but it's usually broken.

I especially wish i could actually interact with those videos from my account, such as liking or commenting. There are three types of instances: no sign ups, outdated or no content on them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Unskippable one-hour long ads. 👌

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What keeps you away from PeerTube?

The app not being on F-Droid. Once it's there, I'll at least try it out. Bonus if there's an Android TV app too. I'll watch stuff on PeerTube if I'm given a direct link, and I tried playing around with NewPipe but the experience feels bolted on to the rest of the app.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Getting Lemmy(and other fedi services) to fully support linking videos would help. Piefed and and other platforms support it pretty well.

for example: https://piefed.social/post/398574

direct link vs just the url. Lemmy will not work with the direct link like this nor the comments appearing in both instances.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think the only thing it needs is a mainstream instance.

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