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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

I have a theory for some time now, But it’s highly speculative.

Microsoft hasn’t been making a lot of money with Windows for a couple of years now and I think they’re pretty aware of the shit show they released with Windows 11. And they already integrated the WSL. So what what if Windows dumps It’s kernel and switches to Linux? The current windows UI could be switched to either native implementations or running through wine while keeping the familiar look and feel. Microsoft would then also need to push patches to the wine project Including their hidden and undocumented, APIs In order to get all the stuff running, they currently need in windows. This would drive the compatibility of Wine and Proton even further.

The windows API are so old and full of legacy stuff that this might a big opportunity for Microsoft to properly abstract them and be done with it.

Windows would be changed to a package based distribution, making updates much less cumbersome.

The remaining capacities could be put where Microsoft earns most of its money: cloud and business applications.

Win(dows)-Win, right?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This is the final hurdle keeping me on windows, a seamless gaming experience. If SteamOS can hammer everything out, there's zero reason to stay.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

The only problem I have gaming on Linux these days is anti-cheat on a couple titles. Everything else is seamless already. The steam client works just as it does on Windows.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I would argue that at this point, today, its already a fairly seamless experience.

The only singular issue is MMOs with invasive rootkit anticheats. All the MMO's i've played have worked like a charm with zero issues, but thats because I actively avoid games that use invasive rootkit anticheat systems... and I did that on windows, too, so its never been a big issue for me.

Might be an issue if you love your korean mmos though.

and I'm not, like, a sysadmin with 2 decades of linux experience or anything. I'm just a random idiot.

I dont say this to proselytize or try to get you to convert/install today. Just a vewpoint from general everyday user.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Nope, I'm almost exclusively single player at this point. How's the performance and everything? Is there any drop off?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Check for the games you play here, it will tell you if there's good linux support for it currently

https://www.protondb.com/

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Steam is terrified of the Microsoft store. It's part of why they're moving to linux

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Sure, but Valve is terrified of the Microsoft store for a subtly, but importantly, different reason than why Microsoft should be terrified of Steam OS.

Microsoft should be terrified that Steam OS will destroy their monopoly by making it so users no longer have to use their product.

Valve is terrified that Microsoft will destroy their monopoly by making it so users no longer can use their product.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Even MS hasn't dared to release a version of Windows you can't switch out of "S mode" yet, but the fact that it even exists would be troubling for them.

MS would love a walled garden like Apple have made, but there's no way in hell it would ever pan out for them, and certainly not before regulation arrives (probably from the EU) that would stamp it out, and that's before you take into account the business implications. Windows only exists because of all the pre-existing software. Flattening the only reason to stay would be suicide.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

thats exactly why Valve start Fighting Against Windows, UWP And Microsoft store.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Imagine gaming with no windos OS…. The future is better!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

No need to imagine!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’m legitimately curious how many half-baked ad-filled second-to-the-punch products will be too many for Microsoft before they finally capitulate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Man, if microsoft capitulated, and gave us a Windows 7 - 2, that was just windows 7 with current support, no spyware, no telemetry, and a nice coat of polish... I would definitely be tempted to switch back lol

[–] [email protected] 100 points 4 days ago (16 children)

I just installed Linux and holy shit it is so much easier and more straight forward than a windows install. Really wish I would have done it sooner.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It's funny because while some of it has to do with work to make Linux desktops better, a non-trivial amount of it is how worse Microsoft has made it to deal with Windows.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Because Windows is a data-mining and advertising tool these days, more than anything. So they want to make sure you have a MS account on day 1 and that you have to opt out of all of their services 34 times over before they let you use the damn thing.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

I had issues with drivers, like I would have to find them somewhere on the internet, trust a random stranger to download and install them. And even then some things required me to launch drivers manually every single time I wanted to use my hardware.

I had issues with games, constant crashes or some games flat out not working. Some even crashing the entire system occationally.

I had issues where my pc would randomly turn on. Going to sleep was funky and would break the system requiring restart. I had to find drivers for my audio systems to get them running.

I had to run around confusing settings and tweak them through different control panels made by random people that largely overlapped to fix basic issues.

Thankfully those issues were solved the moment I installed linux.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 4 days ago (1 children)

As a long time Linux enjoyer, this is honestly the easiest way to get it into the mainstream. People have already seen the success of the steam deck which only reinforces that Linux can be used for gaming better than ever before. As long as people stop using Windows I'm here for it.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 days ago (19 children)

Eh, I don't really care if they stop using Windows, I care that they start using Linux. Dual boot if you need, but more market share for Linux increases the likelihood that devs will support Linux directly.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 days ago (11 children)

Microsoft could also be terrified of how shitty Windows 11 is. I have to think back to Millennium Edition to compare to something this disastrous, but Satya doesn't care about Windows, Surface, or XBox. Microsoft's future is M365, Azure, and D365. Big fat high margin Enterprise Agreements since everyone is locked into their proprietary shitty office formats. And they get enterprise problems with audit, identify, access control like few other businesses.

What I don't know understand is why companies refuse to sell off businesses that they know will die off from their neglect. A shame, except for Windows.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There is nothing to be terrified of for MS, windows can implement mandatory rectal scans to log in and linux wouldn't break 20% market share.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 4 days ago (28 children)

As a Mac user I too want SteamOS to succeed, because it will indirectly result in more games that are compatible with macOS via game porting tools and wine.

Honestly windows is just annoying to deal with. I don’t like the ads, and I don’t like my start menu bar being reorganized. I run it in a VM and managing my install keys is a huge pain with their login system.

Linux is awesome, it’s neat watching its developer friendliness result in snowballing market share.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

(2025 is “The year of the Windows 11 PC refresh,” allegedly)

Wait. Since when has Microsoft's Windows team been drinking from the same copium jars as us Linux users have for years?

That's hilarious.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Oh it will be the year of the Windows 11 refresh, there's no question of that. Untold millions of business PCs will be making the change as Windows 10 goes EoL.

It's a very different story in the home market. Frankly the only thing holding Windows Gaming in place is decades of increasing personal PC ownership but that ownership / use rate is now declining as normal people transition to using smartphones and tablets.

In just a few short years, ten at most, gaming on Windows will be about as relevant as gaming on Mac. It may still be called "PC Gaming", you can already see media trying to redefine gaming on SteamDeck and other handhelds as "PC Gaming", but those games won't be built around the Windows OS.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Microsoft has been steadily moving away from backwards compatibility and trying to be a one-stop shop for everything. They just want Windows to be focused on data collection and spying at this point. And your gaming data isn’t as valuable as you might think.

If they don’t have one for it already, they’ll just want to make a compatible Xbox app to run on Linux. If Linux can serve the gaming folks, and they get their data with an Xbox sign-in, it’s way less work and cost for them to keep Windows running the games well. I doubt they feel threatened at all.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm waiting for a MS vs Steam lawsuit where MS tries to sue over the usage of the Windows api

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They would have a hell of a time trying to say they want to control API usage after letting everyone and their mother use it free and unrestricted for decades. But I wouldn't put it past them to try.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

I hope to see this before the EoL date set for Windows 10 and a bunch of people throw out perfectly good machines to buy something that works with Windows 11.

Personally, I won't use Windows 11 on my home machines. But my concern is that I install a distro this year and want to switch to SteamOS later, but would have to start over with customizations, etc. in the new distro. I wish SteamOS was available now for gaming rigs!

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)

When most/all multiplayer games start working on Linux that's when Linux can really start taking off.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (27 children)

They do. We're already there.

The only titles that don't work are the ones with kernel level anti-cheat, and that needs to die anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Year of linux desktop, amirite?

Jesus, news outlets love hyperbole, don't they. We are not even at 5% market share.

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