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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The problem a lot of people have with it is in Steps 1 and 2.

Step 1: download an app. There are so many now, it's hard to tell them apart and decide which one is better or worse. The official mobile one is OK for most, but there are half a dozen others and no easy way to pick one over the other.

Step 2: Create an account. Turns out that decision is where people get stuck the most. Which server should they choose? One based on their interests, their location, where other exiles from their previous social network went, or go for a big one like mastodon.social? And since you can create more than one on a different server, should you create more than one before you get going? So many decisions.

Finally, let's say you've gone through both steps and are finally on. How do you get followers, or decide who to follow?

Itt's all good once you've jumped in, gone through a week of confusion, missed all the people you used to follow because they're too scared to leave and FOMO. Then you realize following a hashtag is a good thing, but it brings in a lot of people spamming it (try following #press to get news) so now you have to start muting accounts.

Now put yourself in the shoes of an old auntie fed up with the crap on other sites and how they can navigate all this.

Until the onboarding experience -- from zero to where you're enjoying the experience and not feeling like every step is a potential cowpie -- is streamlined, people will keep saying it's hard.

I'm a big fan, btw, and have pretty much cut out all other social networks, but I don't think my auntie would enjoy it quite as much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That's the thing

Every new user should by default download the official Mastodon app and make a mastodon.social account.

Any other choice should be under an expandable Advanced or Custom Account Creation.


Techies claiming to have to idea what the problem is are really revealing a serious lack of intelligence.

People are primates. Chimps with language.

You've seen the video of the chimp browsing Instagram. That's what the user is like. That's how easy you need to make the UX.

Largely, they're clueless with simple motivations. They don't care about helping the fediverse be a viable and growing competitor to corporate social media. They don't share your goal, they don't care, they won't suffer through even the slightest inconvenience for this.

So make the decision for them. Don't present them with the list of choices unless they specifically ask for it.

Put horse blinders on them.

They need it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I could've sworn Mastodon's official app signs you up to m.s as the default instance now? I remember there being a massive roar on their GitHub when they started pushing the change.

Did it get rolled back?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes my thoughts exactly. When email was too confusing ISPs included it pre-configured as a perk initially and Gmail came later.

My feelings in regards to social media are stop the bleeding first, remove society's dependence on X, Meta, and other for-profit platforms. Then we can worry about educating "normal" people on Federation, ActivityPub, etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

ISPs included email because almost everyone was a modem user (and hence only connected sporadically) and email servers need constant uptime or they lose messages.

They also ran news servers and hosted user web pages for basically the same reason.

Only freaks and weirdos (like me) ran servers from home.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Why do journalists say it’s too confusing to catch on? I have no fucking idea.

It seems like it would be pertinent to make an attempt to understand the problem before trying to solve it...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is getting posted a lot which is too bad because it’s worse than useless.

Do people not understand how technically useless 80% of users are? They CAN NOT REMEMBER THEIR PASSWORDS. (No, they didn’t write them down. Password management software? lol.)

I’m saying the height of their technical ability is to remember their password. And we want them to switch platforms, away from a fascist right-wing brainwashing troll factory to- what is it called again?

Yeah. It needs a guide with this title, but actually useful. Well-written, with the context that people reading it are already well above and beyond in making an effort.

Why are so many people still on Xitter? I have a fucking idea.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The question is .. do we care about THAT 80 % of the people. I would be more then happy if we can have that 20 % of more technical-oriented audience :-)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

That 80% is important. We need non-techies, because they remind us that there's more to life than just computers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, because I want my friends (who aren't tech orientated) and interest groups (which aren't tech orientated) to be on the Fediverse.

They're always complaining about this, that, and the other about the big platforms but they have so many hang ups regarding Fedi software, so they don't use them.

A lot of it is perception, but you have to try and make it so people don't have those perceptions or break them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Sorry, but as soon as a website starts throwing pop-ups at me I close it. Why people tolerate that nonsense is beyond me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Why do people say it’s too confusing to catch on?

I have no fucking idea.

This just seems to highlight a problem. People are saying they're confused by it. But if you're either unaware why or acting like you're unaware why, that's a problem. Even if there are ways to approach using Mastodon that makes it easy, there's clearly something making many users pause.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone says subscribe to hashtags to get content. I have no idea how to do that on the official Mastodon Android app. If it's that obtuse, it's not going to catch on easily.

Microblogging was never my preference and as it wasn't easy enough to figure out in the app itself, being a casual user, I never looked it up in a guide/video.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use fedilabs. Works very well. Allows hashtag-following following the public feed of a remote instance multi-account with cross-account actions

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is a pretty good example tbh. consider:

make a twitter account, you can see what's popular and tweet insults at celebrities

vs

make a mastodon account, you can use fedilabs to allow hashtag-following following the public feed of a remote instance multi-account with cross-account actions