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[–] [email protected] 66 points 10 months ago

"American Automakers Refuse to Participate in Race to Make Accessible, Fuel-Efficient Vehicles"

Fixed that title for you, Verge.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They are, however, winning the race to make more gas guzzling profit generators that destroy this planet for the benefit of their shareholders.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Which is apparently what the average consider wants or at least expects.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

American* consumer. Around the world most popular models are smaller than the American ones. And those expectations are driven by marketing from those car companies to circumvent the safety/emission laws set up for cars in the us

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I agree with you, but this happens in Europe as well.

Tying acceptable emissions to the car weight made SUVs very attractive for the car makers. And people lap it up like noone's business.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

And more dangerous to their drivers as well, because while they may "win" collisions, they also roll over much easier.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Until the exemptions for “light trucks” go away this won’t change. The current CAFE standards reward automakers for making even larger, less efficient and more dangerous “passenger” vehicles every year.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

On top of that average lifetime of a car in US is 12 years so those car's will be on the roads for a decade or two after exemptions are removed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Much longer than 12, that's the average age (including new cars). This site says the average lifespan is closer to 17 years.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

Were they trying to win?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I thought they already lost during the OPEC oil crisis and then lobbied congress to put import restrictions on foreign cars to save themselves.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They did, decades ago. That is no longer an issue.

Now we have current efficiency standards that focus on cars. However trucks have much lower requirements because businesses might need additional capabilities. No individual would ever buy a truck as a personal vehicle , right? So you have these criteria meant to give a break to businesses, but ever larger vehicles mean that personal vehicles now also qualify. They can be made more cheaply, with more profit.

Somehow, they didn’t consider the criteria would be abused for more profitable personal vehicles

  • Pickup truck? Clearly a contractor so let’s give you a break
  • All wheel drive and high clearance? Clearly a rare specialty off-road vehicle that needs a break
  • Seats 7+, even if they’re only toddlers? Clearly a transportation service, so needs a break in efficiency to carry more passengers
  • Tow hitch? Clearly in need of extra torque and heavy duty frame for whatever business need you’re towing
[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

They lost this race to Japanese car manufacturers like 30 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How can you win when you're running in the opposite direction?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

This just in: Obese Man perpetually on the couch isn't going to finish the marathon, experts say.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

They don't have to worry, because the Buy American provisions in recent legislation (passed under both Trump and Biden) protects them from competition by more fuel efficient foreign competitors.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

True, but in time they will be able to sell only in the US as their cars will not be allowed anywhere else. So if they will want to compete outside US, they will need two lines of the same products. Then they will realize that it will be less expensive to keep only the one that can sell in more places.
If they have not failed in the meantime.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Real-world fuel economy in model year 2022 rose slightly to 26 miles per gallon, according to the EPA’s latest Automotive Trends Report.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) finalized that rule back in 2022, and earlier this year, it proposed even higher standards for cars made between 2027 and 2032.

Numbers for real-world fuel economy tend to be about 25 percent lower than official compliance data might show, according to Dan Becker, director of the Safe Climate Transport Campaign at the Center for Biological Diversity.

Average fuel economy for Ford, General Motors, and Jeep and Dodge parent company Stellantis last year ranged between about 21mpg and 23mpg.

Supersized passenger vehicles burn through more gas than smaller cars, which also means that they create more tailpipe pollution that worsens air quality and causes climate change.

Fortunately, the emission rate for planet-heating carbon dioxide from new vehicles still dropped 3 percent to a record low last year, the EPA reports.


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It this Onion News? No one can use "american automakers" and "fuel-efficency" in the same phrase!

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