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Chris Hayes: The final 2024 election tally is almost in. It should end the MAGA mandate myth. (www.msnbc.com)
submitted 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Summary

Donald Trump narrowly won the 2024 presidential election, securing the smallest popular vote margin for a victor in modern U.S. history, with just 1.6% over Kamala Harris.

Despite his win, Democrats performed unexpectedly well in down-ballot races, flipping Senate seats in swing states Trump carried and maintaining the House balance.

Republicans lack a clear mandate as Trump’s plans for deportations, ending birthright citizenship, political retribution, and tariffs clash with voters’ hopes for economic relief.

There’s likely to be backlash as voters realize the gap between what they wanted and what Trump plans to deliver.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 26 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago)

All told Trump is up about 2m votes and Harris down 7m compared to Biden in 2020.

This is not a massive increase in support for Trump but it is a significant drop in support for the Dems that lost them the election.

The mandate "myth" is irrelevant. They won all 3 parts of government , they got their mandate.

In the UK we had Brexit and it was extremely close at 48% to 52%. Yet ever since all we ever heard about is how it was decisive and people treat everyone in the UK as if we're pro Brexit. In our elections the tories got 42% of the vote yet massive majorities so dictated what we did.

In short the problem is not the number of voters, it is the electoral system. In the US system if you win enough votes in the right places you win decisively. That seemed like a good system when there was a consensus. Not so good when there is division.

The solution in the US is the same as the UK - electoral reform is needed. The problem in the US is the same as the UK - no one will deliver that as the parties that win power are the ones who benefit from the rigged system.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know if the author is coping or if they actually believe this.

Despite his win, Democrats performed unexpectedly well in down-ballot races, flipping Senate seats in swing states Trump carried and maintaining the House balance.

Uh... They lost the Senate what the fuck is this guy even talking about?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The senate is weird. It's possible to lose seats even if your party gets more votes overall. 6 years ago was the Trump midterm so democrats did well. This meant a disproportionate number of senators up for reelection this year were either vulnerable democrats or safe republicans. So overall losing only 3 seats is not bad in that context.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It was barely a 50-50 split before. I wouldn't exactly call that a majority.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

I mean maybe but now Republicans have a majority. Still not "democrats performing well".

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

So the Republicans have the Senate, the House, the white house, the supreme Court and the popular vote, but the Democrats are doing great? Got it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 hours ago

Who gives a fuck if you have a mandate if you won a trifecta? In 2 years, maybe some working class voters will realize they were sold magic beans and put a check on their power but mandates are a bullshit concept. Exercise power when you have it.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 hours ago

These people already relieve that Trump was sent by an invisible sky wizard to… I don’t know what, save them from having to give a damn about anyone other than themselves? These are not people swayed by facts or reason. We have known that for a decade (or more).

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

What backlash? He still was voted in despite him saying exactly what he would do… This is what the country wanted sadly. We are in for some dark times.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Less than 50% of those who voted. And I doubt even all of those wanted Trump's agenda, many either didn't understand or didn't believe he would do some of the things he says.

So I disagree that the country as a whole wanted this. Obviously most did not.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago

Less than 50% of those who voted.

That's unfortunately/fortunately the only ones that count. The ones that didn't want this, but didn't want this bad enough to actually get out and vote can continue to do so in silence.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Donald Trump narrowly won the 2024 presidential election, securing the smallest popular vote margin for a victor in modern U.S. history, with just 1.6% over Kamala Harris.

Wouldn't that have been Bush in 2000 at -0.51%?

Edit: I guess that was the unpopular vote margin.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 hours ago

More liberal cope? JFC people, liberals got their ass handed to them again, as usual. They simply lack the ideas and will to win.

Whatever. Prepare to defend yourselves against the fascists. Or don't. Far as I'm concerned, I'm on my own from here on out.