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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 hours ago

All the posts are about combat between some guy with a short sword vs. a spear. No one has considered Paul's ability to predict future actions and using that to determine the best outcome. Much like fighting a Jedi (who presumably could anticipate the immediate future), how can you fight someone who already knows how you'll move and the best counter?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Geronimo shredded motherfuckers with a spear. Dude was a master, one of his stories was about killing a whole regiment of Mexican Army who were armed with guns and he and only one or two other tribes men walked away and Geronimo was covered in blood and guts with only his spear left as a weapon.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 hours ago

In a fair fight sure, but this sneaky fucker can read inputs like those cheaty fighting games bots

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

No shields. They'll attract Shai-Hulud.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

If no shield, can we have a beam laser build in to the staff to even things up with the precog.

...and some earplugs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

In that case, a guy with a full-auto handgun

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I could beat them both with my invention, the megaspear

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

Balista gang?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

An Honored Matre with her sexy skills!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

You only get a short time with the pointy end of the spear and then once a sword wielder is inside your range, you’ve got an unwieldy stick and they have a sword. Good for stand off melee maybe but prob not. Go swords.⚔️

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

You only get a short time with the pointy end of the spear and then once a sword wielder is inside your range, you’ve got an unwieldy stick and they have a sword. Good for stand off melee maybe but prob not.

Yes, but getting in close without getting stabbed is really hard.
Here's an actual example of modern HEMA folks giving it a lot of goes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLLv8E2pWdk

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So you're saying, once you lose your advantage you gain a disadvantage? This the kind of religious propaganda that put Atreides on the throne

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I’m just saying you better be hot fire with that spear. Otherwise you’re getting cut.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Absolutely not. It's the other way around there's a reason any army get spears while swords are just a simbol for nobility.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That reason is price to produce and skill to wield my dude

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not an expert, are you? All the in dephts historical weapon stuff I met in my life has told me and confirmed me spears win against swords.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I didn’t say spears didn’t win against swords.

Spears are easier to wield, it’s a pointy stick. It requires less training to use. Requires significantly less materials to make.

They are a standoff weapon though, in close combat a sword or small bladed weapon wins. Different tools for different purposes.

The information I’m parroting is from experts and historians and literature and everything I’ve read over my 4 decades, it’s common knowledge at this point and not really worth “arguing” imo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Well my anedoctal evidence is diametrically opposite to yours.

It's time to invoke the sacred sources.

  1. https://swordis.com/blog/spear-vs-sword/
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 minutes ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago)

Your sacred source might as well be what I just said, so cool thanks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago

At close range the spear becomes a staff which can block the knife and give a concussion thwack.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Have you ever fenced against a spear?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I fenced in college against people with slightly longer arms and just that minor difference put me at a huge disadvantage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I feel you. I know how many hits I can get in just stabbing at unexpected moments at long range with my sword, with a spear it would be plenty easier.