This was the moment I checked out of the prequels. Vader, as a child, built C-3PO? I'm supposed to continue suspending my disbelief, now? Impossible.
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Definitely one of my least favorite aspects of them. Everyone must get a backstory, and they must all be interrelated. The galaxy's a small place apparently.
Story takes place in a whole-ass galaxy. Everyone winds up back on Tatooine for some stupid reason; the planet with barely one ecosystem, practically zero vegetation, no economy that matters, yet populated with two (?) cities. Other planets also have exactly one ecosystem, culture, and one optional urban center^1^. There's also only 12 or so planets that matter, yet half of everyone you meet are from all the other ones. You may not like what you see, but this is peak sci-fi writing performance, right here. /s
This story could take place in a diverse corner of a single Earth-like planet and it wouldn't be all that different.
^1^ - Meanwhile planet Coruscant is an urban center where the ecosystem can best be described as "traffic" and the culture is "city folk that inexplicably eat at 1950's-style diners".
Single-biome planet is a quite common trope in "science fiction" (tvtropes warning)....
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Maybe C3PO was a kit. Like a gay robot Lego set for ages 5-12. Those Jawas can sell practically anything.
He built it out of junk. Most of internal components were prolly cherry picked and then maaaybe fixed up a bit. Sheesh. Like, kiddo may have been good at soldering, so he fixed a few electronic parts.
There are other bots we see exactly like 3po so clearly not much custom work
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Not when, in a universe known to contain non-organic beings able to perform tasks like smuggling plans, a gunnery officer decided to save lasers (as though they were apparently a precious resource) and not fire on an escape pod with no life signs? I feel like that would be the most appropriate moment to stop taking Star Wars seriously.
It's okay to accept it's got a bunch of plot holes and enjoy it for what it is: grungy WWII fighter pilots/samurai/wizards/Vietnam war allegory in space.
Edit: also nukes
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Right? And Luke leaving behind a prosperous moisture farming career to go fight baddies? Um, no thank you. Know your audience, Lucas.
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I don't think he's supposed to have designed it or anything. I think it's an existing model, and he just scrounged for scrap to put him together. It's basically the thing he's known for as a child. His pod racer seems a little more unbelievable, right?
Not that he couldn't have put together a droid, but that he put this very specific, very integral-to-later-events one together himself. It's ludicrously coincidental.
it’s very synchronous rather than causal. i don’t think the rhetoric and messaging of the original star wars was for you. if you’re familiar with the concepts and ideas that went into star wars in the first place then, at least imo, it’s a very natural plot turn that threepio was himself built by vader. yes, the story revolves around anakin in this grandiose and cosmic way. that’s a feature, not a bug.
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That's what you're supposed to do, though. They're fun space cowboy movies. Anybody who gets upset about the prequels being cheesy or having plot holes is just remembering the originals through rose-colored lenses.
Revolutionary for the time, sure, but the fact that some of it didn't work in spite of the level of ambition is (for me, at least) part of the charm.
Hold on hold on. You trying to argue that the prequels are the same quality as the originals, that’s just batshit crazy. The revisionism these last years about the prequels because all the kids who were born right around then and grew up watching them is wild. They are not good movies. Sure there’s stuff to like and anyone can find enjoyment in nostalgia, but to say the originals are just as bad and it’s only rose colored glasses is just wrong.
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Mine was Padme dressing in BDSM gear around the incel monk with an obvious crush on her, and then saying he made her uncomfortable when he started creeping on her
Generally I think women should be able to wear what makes them feel pretty/empowered/safe without getting creeped on, but goddamn, read the room chica!
Also, "I hate sand". Kenobi H Christ, it's awkward
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"The 3PO-series protocol droid, also known as the 3PO-series protocol unit, was a model of protocol droid produced by Cybot Galactica sometime prior to the Invasion of Naboo. They were equipped with a TranLang III communication module, and as a result were fluent in over 6 million forms of communication. C-3PO was an example of this model, though he was rebuilt out of spare parts. TC-series protocol droids appeared similar to 3PO units."
Wookieepedia
There are a ton of 3PO-series droids in the Star Wars universe.
Vader would not look at a 3P0 droid and think "maybe that's the droid I built as a child and left on a plant in the outer rim"
Same with R2-D2
It's just for the movie sake that there aren't 30 CP0s and 50 R2-D2 units running around in the background. "Wait did Biggs just get R2 in his x-wing?" No, it's some completely different droid I've never seen. Some things have to be adapted for the movie.
As for difficulty, no harder than building like a PC. If there are a ton of CP0 units, he simply takes working parts from a dozen broken ones and pieces them together. He's a child, they fib and stretch the truth. He could have just attached new legs to the unit that needed only legs and then went through the setup process of "programing" him.
He didn't Tony Stark C3P0. He pieced together a robot from pre-made CP0 scrap parts.
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When Vader found out it was R2 he was up against, he knew it was all over.
When R2 stole the plans Vader was looking for it changed his entire campaign.
For R2 it was Thursday.
It's no coincidence that R2 went to a planet full of sand.
You mean the planet full of sand that's somehow central to the entire Skywalker saga despite supposedly being a remote mostly criminal hideout in the outer rim.
And actually the droids were there to deliver Leia's message to Obi-Wan.
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Yea I wonder if that was ever addressed? I don’t remember the movies much and I never read the books but Vader must have seen, like, security footage or something and been like hey wait a fucking a second.
Why would he look at security footage? He's not a cop from the 80s, he just commands his army to find those. He's not evil enought to micromanage.
Levels of Evil
Level I - burn kittens and watch them suffer
Level II - build a space weapon so massive it blows up planets
Level III - micromanage your minions and review security footage
Imagine standing around during guard duty and Darth Vader calls up saying if you have time to lean you have time to clean.
Let's touch base on this at a later date and see if we can really drill down and get our ducks in a row. I don't have the bandwidth right now, so we'll circle back now that it's on my radar.
/mechanical breathing
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Level IV - Negotiations of trade route duty and tariffs in bad faith
Level V - Sand.
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There are plenty of 3P and R2 series robots running around. There's no reason to believe he thought he knew them.
Further, there's a comic where he sees C-3PO's blasted body and has a flashback. So even though they didn't share the screen, Vader did share a moment.
My actual biggest issue is that Vader stood in front of Leia and didn't seem to have any idea that she could use the force or that she was his daughter.
that she could use the force
Except she couldn't. She was Force sensitive, but had no training and couldn't "use" the Force. And he had no idea he had children until after ANH. If he felt any connection at all to Leia he could have easily dismissed it as knowing Bail during the Clone Wars and that her family connection to Bail.
My actual biggest issue is that Mara Jade isn't canon
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Characterized by extreme refinement or self-indulgence, often to the point of unworldiness or decadence
Damn you meme, making me learn a new word.
You know there's just some middle school English teacher out there making memes just for this purpose.
It took me a bit to recognise that as describing "effete". I don't think you found the best definition - the main way it's used today is affected, overrefined, and effeminate.
Oh yeah, I built that one. How did I completely forget about C-3PO? That's weird that I never mentioned C-3PO ever again since I was 9 even though building a sentient robot from scratch that can speak 6 million languages would make me one of the smartest living beings in the entire galaxy.
Considering he was a standard protocol droid (E chu ta!), he probably built him from the scrap of previously deactivated ones. Still impressive, but certainly not "from scratch."
I imagine it’s like someone building a computer today. You plug in all the relevant components together but it doesn’t require too much expertise.
I like this analogy in particular because it also explains how Vader might not have connected the dots that this was the same protocol and astrometric droids from his childhood.
When I was a kid I had an old apple IIe computer. An IT guy I knew gave me some parts for it that his company was discarding and I added them to my computer.
But if I were to see another apple II computer today, I would never assume that it was my exact computer from my childhood.
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I think it would be harder because not only are droids more complex, but he had to source all his parts from a junkyard.
Maybe the galaxy has an excellent standards committee so all these components are compatible. Like if you just connect red wires to red wires everything just works? So he just went around the junkyard looking for compatible wires and stuff?
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So, basically, he was a tech-bro who made a fancy ChatGPT wrapper.
Yeah, but I think a droid with its miles of wire and circuits is far more impressive than a tech bro using chatgpt to build a front end for chat gpt
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R2D2 probably remembers Anakin wiping out the Jedi. I wonder if he can get PTSD
Nah, he's too scrappy
There are many gold protocol droids and Blue astromech droids. They aren't unique
But together? It's not like they commonly run in the same circles and team up for espionage missions.
Sure, but do those other droids tend to accompany each other everywhere in the galaxy?
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