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[–] lohky@lemmy.world 282 points 6 months ago (4 children)

That's not weird. That's how functional societies reconcile when they aren't subjected to endless propaganda and fear mongering.

[–] Kacarott@aussie.zone 83 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I mean, it is weird in the sense that it is unusual. But that doesn't make it bad, in fact it should become more normal.

[–] valek879@sh.itjust.works 43 points 6 months ago

I'd go so far as to say it's bad that it is unusual

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

i came to say this. being friends is healthy and normal.

[–] lohky@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm just so fuckin burnt out on xenophobia and i feel like that shit got pushed on me a lot growing up.

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[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 161 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I still don't think the natives got the good deal here

[–] lolrightythen@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Who's to say?

I was going to joke about an Amish casino, but then I remembered the move Kingpin

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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 153 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Migration leading to mixed cultures instead of genocide and colonization. Americans: "This is so weird!"

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 6 months ago

“In this here melting pot, we burn away all our differences until we’re left with only the pure white flame of Christian nationalism.”

I had to put the statement in quotes because while being hyperbole, it’s not too far from how some people think, and I don’t want to be confused with those folks.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 109 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That actually sounds awesome

[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago

The true American dream

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[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 77 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Need photos this sounds adorable

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 59 points 6 months ago

This post has been up an hour and we have no fucking information this is unacceptable.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 58 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I don't think jewelry wearing is compatible with the Amish conception of propriety and modesty but I'm not going to say it wouldn't happen.

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 90 points 6 months ago (4 children)

My grandpa rents some of his fields out to an amish guy who also rents a lot of other fields in the area. The amish in our area are known to be pretty loose with their rules so my grandpa wasn't surprised when the guy showed up with combine harvester but he was kind of surprised with how new it was. My grandpa asked him how he could drive a combine when they weren't allowed to drive cars. To which the amish guy responded, "Well, I don't actually drive the combine; it drives itself. I just sit in it."

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like the Amish would be ok with a robotic vacuum as long as it charged itself from a solar panel.

[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 11 points 6 months ago

Quite possibly. A lot of their electricity aversion stems from avoidance of relying on an electric grid owned and maintained by outsiders.

(Which to be fair is also pretty based)

[–] PoTayToes@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 months ago

Jewish people on Sabbat vibes.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 13 points 6 months ago
[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 months ago

Most based Amish dude I've ever heard about.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 39 points 6 months ago

Good for them. Culture should evolve.

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 36 points 6 months ago (7 children)

The "rules" the Amish live by are determined by the Elders of that group. They can be quite strict or fairly loose. And can vary by a fair bit from colony to colony even as neighbors. Cell phones can be fine for one group and be forbidden for the next.

Like some much in life, the rules are open to interpretation.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I saw some Amish or similar community teens freaking out in a Sheetz over the touch screens. They were having so much fun.

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[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Maybe it depends on the branch of Amish. I’ve heard the ones in the Midwest are a little more relaxed than the ones in Pennsylvania.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Everyone's just making shit up based on their feelings anyway, let them do as they ~~wilt~~ will.

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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Really depends on the community, some have cars.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 55 points 6 months ago (8 children)

That's not weird, that's how things should be. Working together.

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[–] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 6 months ago (11 children)

What's weird is saying "native" and "indian" interchangeably in 2024.

[–] Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 94 points 6 months ago (4 children)

My native american father in law prefers to call himself an Indian.

From his point of view he wouldn't call himself a "native american" because he belongs to an actual nation and indigenous people aren't a homogenous group.

He prefers Indian because it makes white people look bad. Incredibly based

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 37 points 6 months ago

He prefers Indian because it makes white people look bad.

I know nothing else about him, but I like him already.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

A sentiment I've heard a bunch is "oh, so you called us Indians and now you're uncomfortable with that label? Well fuck you, you don't get to keep unilaterally changing what's acceptable. If thinking about colonialism makes you uncomfortable, then great! Start sitting with that discomfort and recognising the crumb of self determination that we express by identifying as Indians. You gave us that label, and it's ours now."

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[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Me, Native American (heh): Indigenous to where? lmfao

Indigenous [Continent/general area here] would be the closest all-round. Indigenous North American just too many syllables though. Trying to fucking get away from the fucking whirlwind of every 10 years Anishinaabe, Algonquin, Ojibwe, Chippewa, Native American, Indian, Injun shit please. The fewer syllables the better, and nothing people already have please. And no stupid fucking people first word semantics dumb shit when you're literally using the same words but it's better in THIS order not the other...

I swear people just pick the worst words to describe people sometimes when going down the slippery slope for PC language. It's all so arbitrary lol.

People first language literally creates more in-groups and out-groups who have to jump literal semantic hoops, usually just to make the in group feel a little better labeling someone because people turn a blind eye to racists.

I have rarely, and I mean very, very rarely seen new language originate from minority or out-groups being used by their own people first then co-opted by the in-group. There's some random language here and there, but anything race/ethnicity related, it's almost always the in-group getting too racist to call people by what they used for the out-group before, and they have to start calling them something else or fear being branded a racist... Rather than, you know, ostracizing people for being fucking racist.

Maybe I'm just too mixed or too ND to care, but for the same reason why if you get the pronunciation of my name close enough and know you're referring to me.

TBH, I wish Injun made a comebock.

I like Namen/Nnamen. (Native North American, human, man, woman, his noodly appendage) too. No, I don't care if you say Nay-men or Nah-men.

You're wrong if you pronounce GIF as JIF though.

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[–] azi@mander.xyz 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

'Indian' is still pretty widespread in the US

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Indian isn't offensive to native Americans in general

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

It’s still technically called Indian Country and there are a variety of Indian services type organizations in the government.

[–] Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I'm falling into the old person category lately but prefer to stay in the know. What is the proper nomenclature in 2024?

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

"Indigenous" seems to be acceptable most people. When you know them personally, use their nation or tribal affiliation. Like if your friend was Korean, and you only referred to them as "Asian," it might feel like you don't care about the difference.

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[–] gbuttersnaps@programming.dev 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Different people prefer different nomenclature, but the generally accepted standard has switched from native American a couple decades ago to American Indian now. IIRC the change happened because calling people natives sometimes seems synonymous with calling them primitive. Most US tribal groups use American Indian now

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[–] Frog@lemmy.ca 23 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Is part of the agreement to trade fashion accessories?

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 35 points 6 months ago

isn’t that a part of every agreement

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 points 6 months ago

Yes but only among girls.

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago (4 children)

As a father who raised 4 daughters, you try and stop a young woman from wearing jewelry, perfumes, and even makeup. That's a fight you WILL lose every time.

You should see the dating scene. A young Amish boy holding hands with a young Native walking down a hallway, (or vice versa). It ain't right I tell you.

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[–] Donebrach@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

This is local politics in action. In a federation this is protected. In a federation this could also be forced on all federated states or banned. In a federal system it is also allowed that damaging actions are outlawed or embraced and cherished by the state. It is all imperfect but the entire idea is the hope that all the various levels of legal authority check and balance themselves for the benefit of the people and are accountable to wrote law.

I am just writing this for people to maybe remember that this is how a federation (see: The United States of America) is fundamentally supposed to function.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Weird, but hey they ain't hurting nobody, so meh

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