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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

I don't know what I'm doing differently but I really haven't experienced the things everyone complains about. It's been fine overall. Not a ton to see but that just means I don't waste so much time.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

i've said it before and i'll say it again. give me a spec and i'll (try to) write you a tool.

i'm a competent coder, but i have no idea kind of what mod tools are needed.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

For starters, a way to unban people would be nice. Then, also, a way to easily see new content for their community. Like, only new content. And not see it after it has been marked as "reviewed" (except as context to unreviewed content, when unfolded). I mean, new posts, new comments, etc. With alerts. Also, sudden activity alert.

A way to match keywords, and bring up matching posts and comments.

Metrics about each user's contributions to the community, are they new, or seasoned. Did they contribute mostly popular content or unpopular content? What words do they use most? Etc.

Compiling multiple reports for a single post/comment into one. Ignoring reports from select users.

That's all I can think of for now.

But, essentially, a dashboard with live content, showing "old" content as "greyed out", and relevant actions, would be really, really useful.

Edit: additionally, automated actions would be great. Answering posts/comments matching regexes with templates populated with the user's information; automatically removing, issuing warnings, and banning (outright or after n warnings) people for specific terms, etc.

It would also really help to have automation workflows (e.g. user commented with "r-word" or "n-word", autocomment a warning, wait X minutes/hours, or Y minutes/hours after user comments again, remove comment/ban).

This automation could come as an additional tool, to be ran under a separate account.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

it's a start. i'm on holiday at the mo. i'll have a look when i get back

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
  1. Report queue. Right now, reports go to a queue that both instance owners and mods use. This makes it impossible to mod because the instance owners mark items as completed before mods even had a chance to look at them.

Now, if it's the case where it's user abuse it's fine for the instance owner to take care of it.

But if it's just breaking the rule of a community, the instance owner should never even see it.

Separating the queues would help both mods and instance owners.

  1. The ability to hide a community from All and/or Local. Some communities just aren't appealing to the general public. And when All surfers see posts, they just downvote them into oblivion.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

these could be a little more difficult. they seem to be instance level features.

i might be able to do a tool for the first one using filters if there is a way to insert keywords into a report e.g. "To Mods" or "To Admins"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Love the attitude 💪 Let me know if you need help in your quest.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Interesting topic - I've seen it surface up a few times recently.

I've never been a mod anywhere so I can't accurately think what workflows/tools a mod needs to be satisfied w/ their, well, mod'ing.

For the sake of my education at least, can you elaborate what do you consider decent moderation tools/workflows? What gaps do you see between that and Lemmy?

PS: I genuinely want to understand this topic better but your post doesn't provide any details. 😅

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

One of the major issues is replication and propagation of illegal material. Because of the way that content is mirrored and replicated across the fediverse, attacks that flood communities with things like CSAM inevitably find their way to other federated sites due to the interconnectedness of the fediverse.

The only response currently to dealing with these types of attacks, even if they're not directed at you, is to generally defederate with the instance being attacked. This means whoever was attacking the site with CSAM has won, because they successfully made it so that the community becomes disjointed and disconnected from the rest of the fediverse with the hopes that it will die.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I see.

So what do you think would help w/ this particular challenge? What kinds of tools/facilities would help counter that?


Off the top of my head, do you think

  • The sign up process should be more rigorous?
  • The first couple of posts/comments by new users should be verified by the mods?
  • Mods should be notified of posts/comments w/ poor score?

cc @[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can think of some things i could implement on the lemmy server side that could help with this, i'm pretty sure that the IWF maintains a list of file hashes for CSAM and there are probably a few other hash sources you could draw from too.

so the process would be something like the following

  • create a local db for and periodically (like once a day) update CSAM hash list
  • I would be very surprised if hashes for uploads are not already created, compare this hash with list of known harmful material
  • if match found, reject upload and automatically permaban user, then if feasible automatically report as much information as possible about user to law enforcement

so for known CSAM you don't have to subject mods or user to it before it gets pulled.

for new/edited media with unrecognised hashes that does contain CSAM then a mod/admin would have to review and flag it at which point the same permaban for the user, then law enforcement report could be triggered automatically.

The federation aspect could be trickier though. which is why this would probably be better to be an embedded lemmy feature rather than a third party add on.

I'm guessing it would be possible to create an automoderator that does all this on the community level and only approves the post to go live once it has passed checks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

That sounds a great starting point!

🗣Thinking out loud here...

Say, if a crate implements the AutomatedContentFlagger interface it would show up on the admin page as an "Automated Filter" and the admin could dis/enable it on demand. That way we can have more filters than CSAM using the same interface.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is there any instance that doesnt allow automated archives of reddit posts?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

lemmit.online runs on it's own instance. have you encountered other reddit archival bots?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Seems like 80% of the posts i see across most instances are just bot scrapes from reddit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I escaped ads and a dictatorship only to come here and be told how great communism is with an even greater frequency.

Blocking hexbear communities just led to those users going to other instances and making the whack-a-mole more difficult.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Great news, communism is neither an ad nor a dictatorship!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This whole federated system is about whack-a-mole.

I hate politics, so I filter it out. Oh, look, somebody spun up a new instance! Time to filter out the same fucking communities I filtered on every other goddamn instance.

Sports is another one. I hoped everything would end up on fanaticus.social but no, we need our own communities on our own instances, making it so that there are seven communities dedicated to the same team.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would recommend using a client that allows instance and/or keyword blocking. I believe Sync and Connect on Android offer these features amongst others. I would also raise this issue with the dev of whatever client you're using, as a lot of clients now have this feature.

The Lemmy backend is also getting instance blocking shortly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm a pretty old fashioned guy, I don't really use the mobile apps, so I'm hoping for the backend update sooner rather than later, since I use the mlmym layout wherever available.

I have Connect on my phone but I don't use it often.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

That's fair. Instance blocking at the lemmy level will be a hugely popular feature. The backend feature is merging very soon!

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's a bit of paranoia to think people from Hexbear are out to spread their evil ideas to polute your mind any way they can..

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I dont think it is because of me, but if they are getting fewer reactions they might apread out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah my local is just as trash as the all though?

I'm just about ready to give up. I knew Lemmy wasn't going to be Reddit, but to be honest it feels like everybody here is trying to make something work that isn't, and it's exhausting blocking all these stupid fucking communities made for extremely specific weird shit.

Oh and if you haven't noticed, there's only a handful of people who are responsible for most of the news and politics posting, they always post certain takes in issues as well. seems pretty suspicious to me and while I know you guys all think we escaped "big media" and the gross amount of state sponsored misinformation on reddit, but I'm pretty sure they're here already and they are practically running the information communities.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The ultimate method is:

Cultivate your own ‘Subscribed’ feed.

Then almost every post is good.

You choose your own level of involvement.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Just because I'm interested in the category doesn't mean every post will be good. Classification doesn't guarantee quality.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Yeah my local is just as trash as the all though?

I honestly mostly stick to subscribed.

Once a day I check all with "Top of the day"

For emerging communities I use [email protected] (which just moved today to [email protected]

I’m just about ready to give up.

Don't force yourself if you don't feel like it. Lemmy still have a lot of rough edges, hopefully it will get better over time, but at the moment it takes some commitment to use it as a Reddit replacement

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Have you tried kbin? Same content in that it's Lemmy compatible, but slightly different sorting algorithm which (in my view) seems to result in a more rounded/balanced set of posts being promoted.
Yes there a different set of issues - it's earlier in it's development phase, but developing fast (collapsibling comments is being worked on, API (and therefore 3rd party apps) is imminent, many other improvements are developed and expecting to go live this month...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Kbin is like 7 people posting content lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Circa 60,000 active users, but whatever...

You are rather missing my point. Because it sorts on boosts rather than upvotes it surfaces different things in the federated 'all' feed.

Edit: As corrected below it's about 10k monthly active users, but that's still circa 10% of the whole threadiverse (kbin + Lemmy) and only Lemmy.world is larger than kbin.social

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What's the difference between a boost and an upvote?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think a boost is referring to the Mastodon kind, so basically a retweet

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Indeed. Activity pub includes favourites and boosts.
Lemmy uses favourites as an upvote. Kbin does too, but kbin also allows boots and it considers that a boost (which is like a retweet) is a more significant endorsement so sorting and reputation is based more on boosts than on upvotes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Thanks for the correction, I read the wrong number! I've edited accordingly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Turn federation off and browse /all. 90% of content is the same 4-5 posters or very niche magazines that are full of posts exclusively submitted by the magazine owner. Comments are a bit more varied but you can’t throw a stone without hitting one of about 7 frequent commenters, which also includes the 4-5 post submitters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It’s federated, so the local user count is completely irrelevant.

Especially when OP even specifically said that you would see the SAME content, just with different sorting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I have built my own instance and federate with any instance that has interesting communities. No problems here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Home feed for the win. Granted I should probably migrate to another instance (again). I can only block so many anime and cat communities…